CT2: Early rough translation

[Maya]

they are debufffeerrss i swearzzzzzz lolz. wrong. Necros are a Nuker for the last time. Id trade my summon in for a slug in a second. then again i need to get my necro to 78 for its full potential.

And this potential goes 88 with the new combined buffs T.T

[TehPwn]

well im sure i know my toon better than you do and the only subs i ever had were bishop, bd, warlord, and pr

i know how it worx, half the dmg i do to you gets done to yer summon effectively making me half as strong or conversely you twice as strong

it doesnt even matter the fact that you guys picked slug/buster as a nuke to have to xp is laughable

I'm pretty sure the toon BladeQueen had a Necro sub when it was in WeDontPlay (BuRN Alliance). I have fraps of PvP with them with that toon on the Necromancer subclass. But it doesn't matter, anyhow.

No, you're wrong. Learn how Transfer Pain works. There's a reason why the Servitor often isn't at 1 HP when the Necro dies, and while the Servitor never dies unless someone actually targets and kills it (or some stray mob agroes it). Dead Necros still have live servitors (unless explicitely targetted and killed, or killed by AOE/Fusion/etc.) for a reason.

A Necro can be 1/2/3 shotted sometimes without the damage bringing the servitor below 50% HP (high damage crits/m.crit). Have you been touched by a 150 Elemental Attribute Nuker lately? Mystic Muse nuking for 2-3k non-crit with Hydroblast.

When was the last time you seiged in CT1?

[Platino]

You're from portugal so I'm going to give you some credit because we all expect you to be a dumb shit just by default.

The BD dance lasts 15 seconds but is equal to a party UD against archers, thats why it only lasts 15 seconds w/ a 5 minute refresh (never tested it w/ renewal though).. the SwS song cuts down 40-50% of archer damage from the tests I ran through.. stack that with CoP (and if you're so inclined, the crit reduction talisman) and archers won't be such a big issue..

I don't think I'll comment on how lopsided your argument is.. only melee's get blockww/slow/cancel.. and only archers can get counterdash.. great work!

mate i see u big pro and u really know what will happen with archers especially with a well made test like urs.
u cant really test properly in pts where every1 have s80 armor,dont exist stacked partys,all buffs etc.so ur testing was minimal test.
how will archers party play will change to comodate this changes and how they will react against against nuker/melee partys.
also if u play against partys that actually know what they r doing and not some ebayeds archers running around and stand and shot letting melee to get close to them
ppl always say when they see something that nerf archers that they will lose their status.now is no diference.
we will see in few weeks if they become no issue like u say.

[Vina]

I like how people are still complaining about mcrit.

they could just delete mcrits altogether and nukers would still be far more powerful as DDs in pvp than any other class. if you got full element and lvl 79 and you still need to rely on mcrits to win, then you suck.

I think from ct1.5 on the game will be a little more defense oriented. in Ct2 it definately will be with s/d going in their own buffslot and being able to remove buffs you don't want. in fact you'll probably be able to get by with full offensive and defensive buffs in ct2.

tbh instead of making buffs like CoP. they should have done more with the greater shield/might way of buffs. you can either buff focus or critical evasion. something like that. you can either have deathwhisper or CoP, not both. (split the effect of focus into 2 buffs, focus and greater focus, both giving 15%, but make greater critical evasion.) ah I'm dreaming...

[Platino]

btw when i talk about block ww i assume any smart healer avoid getting in archer range while healer from archer group can more easy to do block ww more safe.
also i dont see many melee partys running around and the ones i see,rarely they have sumoner to do cancel ww.

[Vina]

btw when i talk about block ww i assume any smart healer avoid getting in archer range while healer from archer group can more easy to do block ww more safe.
also i dont see many melee partys running around and the ones i see,rarely they have sumoner to do cancel ww.

block ww is range 600... that's pretty close. like it matters. just look at all fraps of pvp, it usually turns into a big clusterfuck, even party vs party.

[langlang]

mages lawls

[Platino]

well in those pvp videos u see how many melees partys u see running around?
except some daggers(which they r overpower already) what else melee u see?
archer/nuker will continue to be majority of played toons for pvp.

[Crystine1]

they are debufffeerrss i swearzzzzzz lolz. wrong. Necros are a Nuker for the last time. Id trade my summon in for a slug in a second. then again i need to get my necro to 78 for its full potential.
Necros were a much better debuffer than nuker back when the resists were strong, but once CT1 came out they are back to being good nukers.

[bladequeen]

I'm pretty sure the toon BladeQueen had a Necro sub when it was in WeDontPlay (BuRN Alliance). I have fraps of PvP with them with that toon on the Necromancer subclass. But it doesn't matter, anyhow.

No, you're wrong. Learn how Transfer Pain works. There's a reason why the Servitor often isn't at 1 HP when the Necro dies, and while the Servitor never dies unless someone actually targets and kills it (or some stray mob agroes it). Dead Necros still have live servitors (unless explicitely targetted and killed, or killed by AOE/Fusion/etc.) for a reason.

A Necro can be 1/2/3 shotted sometimes without the damage bringing the servitor below 50% HP (high damage crits/m.crit). Have you been touched by a 150 Elemental Attribute Nuker lately? Mystic Muse nuking for 2-3k non-crit with Hydroblast.

When was the last time you seiged in CT1?

yeah? id like to see this fraps
cuz i was a goddamn bishop at the time, show me where i fucking nuked or had a summon following me

even if transfer pain worked on chance/percentage thats still more chances for you to live than any other nuker
its not my fault youre poor and or a lowbie, go cry some more

[Hellbat]

yeah? id like to see this fraps
cuz i was a goddamn bishop at the time, show me where i fucking nuked or had a summon following me

even if transfer pain worked on chance/percentage thats still more chances for you to live than any other nuker
its not my fault youre poor and or a lowbie, go cry some more
Transfer pain work as long as dmg u receive less than ur + summon health

[Elronia]

well in those pvp videos u see how many melees partys u see running around?
except some daggers(which they r overpower already) what else melee u see?
archer/nuker will continue to be majority of played toons for pvp.

Yes but it will require a lot of skill to maneuver with an archer. Nowadays archers just sit like dumb cunts and shoot their arrows, because it really doesn't matter if they're at 40 range or 1100 range. In ct2 it will and it will make a lot of difference. And don't bring the elemental on weapons crap, you'll be able to put more elemental defense on your armors in ct2 plus the increased buffslots ( by moving out dances/songs and combo buffs ) will allow for much higher resists than currently possible. And even if we take it to the higher end game, those elemental resist skills at 81 do bump resists by quite alot ( simple testing on current pts will show you that ).

It is pretty clear that ct2 won't turn things upside down, making melee the top pvp class in mass pvp's, but it will balance things a lot. Just don't bring situational stuff to your theories. If block ww lands, if it doesn't, what if it did blabla....makes no sense.

[TehPwn]

yeah? id like to see this fraps
cuz i was a goddamn bishop at the time, show me where i fucking nuked or had a summon following me

even if transfer pain worked on chance/percentage thats still more chances for you to live than any other nuker
its not my fault youre poor and or a lowbie, go cry some more

Holy shit your fucking dumb.

[bladequeen]

Transfer pain work as long as dmg u receive less than ur + summon health

Holy shit your fucking dumb.

i was never a necro or a summoner so i wouldnt know, it also doesnt say it in the skill description

but cry a little more about how necros suck in pvp when its pretty much your fault

[collin]

stillwaiting for the day for it to say something along the lines of "if attacked by player within 15 seconds cannot use blessed scroll of escape"

[TehPwn]

i was never a necro or a summoner so i wouldnt know, it also doesnt say it in the skill description

but cry a little more about how necros suck in pvp when its pretty much your fault

That person is wrong.

Transfer pain only works if the damage you recieve is < the amount of HP your servitor has.

If an archer crits you twice for 5k and on the second crit the servitor has < 5k HP (the case for unbuffed/orc-buffed corrupted/cursed man) you will get 2 hit by said archer (that's only a rough illustration to get the point across).

And where did we say anything about Necros sucking in PvP. Maya was speaking mostly from a PvE standpoint and so was I.

I can rape you in PvP anyday, just send me a PM in game.

[Martzch]

stillwaiting for the day for it to say something along the lines of "if attacked by player within 15 seconds cannot use blessed scroll of escape"

yeah, this would be nice, but it has to differentiate between pvp and pve, cause it's still nice to use in pve.

[bladequeen]

That person is wrong.

Transfer pain only works if the damage you recieve is < the amount of HP your servitor has.

If an archer crits you twice for 5k and on the second crit the servitor has < 5k HP (the case for unbuffed/orc-buffed corrupted/cursed man) you will get 2 hit by said archer (that's only a rough illustration to get the point across).

And where did we say anything about Necros sucking in PvP. Maya was speaking mostly from a PvE standpoint and so was I.

I can rape you in PvP anyday, just send me a PM in game.

so yer gonna cry about how it sux to pve?
go lvl a ol or stfu

[Maya]

Yes but it will require a lot of skill to maneuver with an archer. Nowadays archers just sit like dumb cunts and shoot their arrows, because it really doesn't matter if they're at 40 range or 1100 range. In ct2 it will and it will make a lot of difference. And don't bring the elemental on weapons crap, you'll be able to put more elemental defense on your armors in ct2 plus the increased buffslots ( by moving out dances/songs and combo buffs ) will allow for much higher resists than currently possible. And even if we take it to the higher end game, those elemental resist skills at 81 do bump resists by quite alot ( simple testing on current pts will show you that ).

It is pretty clear that ct2 won't turn things upside down, making melee the top pvp class in mass pvp's, but it will balance things a lot. Just don't bring situational stuff to your theories. If block ww lands, if it doesn't, what if it did blabla....makes no sense.

sorry but that are the archers from your alliance who play from like 3 years and still suck. I like to see how many people will put full elemental resist on their armors, this is kinda expensive... not to mention that the most of the people will put elemental stones only for their class based oly and will try to max just 1 resist.

[Maya]

so yer gonna cry about how it sux to pve?
go lvl a ol or stfu

if u are not power leveled by now from your clan, change the clan... that is how OL levels. I remember my ex clan powerleveling 2 OLs to 79 and 1 to 80. They even helped me for my 78 lvl for the mass mage banes. I dont think any OL should complain about exp...

[Moandor]

TBH OL >> Necro like debuffer , and where is this increase in DoT skills ? WTB
Poison / poison cloud with usefully power and dot effect, wtb sensible debuffs not all this craps we have atm. And put more dark ressist on mobs pls , and make mobs with dark weakness 10 or 20x , just lol.

[GMN]

that's wow pvp ><

[Victis]

mate i see u big pro and u really know what will happen with archers especially with a well made test like urs.
u cant really test properly in pts where every1 have s80 armor,dont exist stacked partys,all buffs etc.so ur testing was minimal test.
how will archers party play will change to comodate this changes and how they will react against against nuker/melee partys.
also if u play against partys that actually know what they r doing and not some ebayeds archers running around and stand and shot letting melee to get close to them
ppl always say when they see something that nerf archers that they will lose their status.now is no diference.
we will see in few weeks if they become no issue like u say.

yep im a pro, not hard to figure shit out, non sa'd s80 and all

not hard to stack a party w/ full buffs on pts

don't know why your arguing how nukers/archers will "react"... no i can't predict reactions from players.. and I never said anything about nukers

don't know what your going on about.. ebayed archers.... ok? and?

i'll just assume the language barrier is the reason why you make no sense

[eseck]

Victis, I wont waste my time on him, arguing with archer pure fanboi wont go anywhere else, but admiting that archers ruled, rule and will rule L2.

[YourFather]

Update comes like 3 years too late.