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Godiva
08-12-2008, 04:23 AM
I am starting to think NCSoft consist only from idiots. Because all the new stuff in Gracia is either created specially to benefit the bots or is just pretty stupid.
1. They say because of the cheap weapon the people will leave WOW and join Lineage. Idiotic. No flow of new players will appear because of those weapons. And of course many players who already left because of the bots will net get back. What actually will have will be a flow of newly created alt toons so the old players may try something new for a short time.
But at the same time of the get drunk and ban by mistake some bot train it will take less then an hour to replace it and jsut few adena to get the gear for it.
2. Nerfing the archers. Why the fuck? The archers are PVP toons and they are strong not because they are archers but because most clans use auto-target script. Stopping such scripts from working is most easy task. But nah - they are going to nerf the archers. Why not stopping the illegal scripts?
3. Boosting the mages crit ratio. It sound reasonable. Now only the few heroes which spend several KKK to get WM on thier weapons will cry. I don't care.
4. Boosting the daggers! WTF? They were killing with 1 hit untill now. What will be accomplished when they are boosted? This actually will help them with PVE and will not make any real difference with the PVP. So it seems the idea is to increase the number of daggers. But they are PK toons. What will give the increase of PK to the game?
5. Increasing the CRP from academy and other sources. Leveling a clan up was an acomplishment. Now every botter will have his clan upped to lvl 6. The established lvl 6 and lvl 7 clans will become nothing.
6. Destroying the economy including for A grade - with duals and the easy recipes for top A weapons. Who will go to Dino island for top A recipes when he can put a bot in forsaken and get it from a quest untill he drinks his morning coffee? And who will be the main beneficient from this - bots of course. Because they produce cash and mats.
7. Destroying the A grade as group at all. Now getting to a grade was something. Now everyone can go to A grade in couple of days. So all those players who spend much time to lvl to A grade will feel cheated (me myself). And who will be among the main beneficient from this? Again bots of course. Because the botters will not care if some high lvl bot trains are banned or not - they will be back just in 2 days.
8. Destroying the only advantage which the dwarves had - the pole. No trains = no pole. But wait - the dwarves will become buffers now! WTF! Why lvl a dwarf to have a buffer? And who is the main beneficient from removing the trains? Bots of course.
9. Increasing the XP through the vitallity system. At first it seems good. But for who? Not for the human players for sure. Because to give something to do to the top lvl players they will have to increase the max lvl. There are RB which are lvl 87 and 90. Guess the max lvl will be upped to 90 quite soon. So the players will benefit from the increased XP and will get from A to S grade only to find out the S grade is already nothing. You will have to be 85+ to be something. And who will be main beneficient from the increase will the bots again. But the old players who spend much time to get to lvl 78+ will feel cheated again.
10. Hellbound. Untill now the bots have some difficulties gettign there. Starting from today there will be a special promotions for the bots - they will get there for nothing. Thats is. To get for the first time to Hellbound you will have only to talk to 2 NPCs. Will this matter to me or to any human player? Of course not. Because getting there just once is nothing for the human player. But it is everything the botters need - once there no force can remove them from hellbound. They will stay there till the game exists.

So guess what will happen...
1. Some new players will appear indeed. And thye wil leave after a month or 2 because of the bots.
2. Many old time players will be disappointed and will leave - either because of the bots or just because the new features made their char obsolete or simply because they feel cheated after the efforts they put in the game.
3. Many new bots will appear and the income from them will replace the left human players. So NCSoft will depend even more on the bots... which will return us to #1...
After 1 year only the bots wil lremain on the servers and few 90 lvl botters which will kill each other dying from boredom.

dgdmeng
08-12-2008, 04:26 AM
shut the fuck up.

ekaj
08-12-2008, 04:36 AM
that's super

Godiva
08-12-2008, 04:48 AM
shut the fuck up.

Of course dgdmeng, dgdgeng,dgddeng and dgdbeng will remain. Together with several thousands more dgdhros, hdtwkdo, hsgssks and such.

dgdmeng
08-12-2008, 04:59 AM
o/ HEIL.

Sleppy
08-12-2008, 05:01 AM
they changed where and how to get top a recs?
i did not see this in any patch?
got anymore info?
thnx

Mayan
08-12-2008, 05:02 AM
OK

SuSpEcT
08-12-2008, 05:06 AM
you see it in wrong way, when i start playing l2 i couldn't get it alone, i have many difficulties, i was 40 level with no grade weapon :( no money, no good armor and nothing i couldn't exp, the only way is to buy some adenas or to find a clan to really help me (give me armor weapon adenas etc)
so with this update i think i can handly a little in the beggining alone without any help or any donate.
Of course the bots will be benefit always do but and the real players will have some benefits. Anyway bots dont need so much those benefits because they making money with anyway any rates any drops.... human player is the thing the hard work. and if it's not possible even if i do all those quests to not get dresses with d grade even in 40lvl then it's useless to play and i quite the game.
And believe me you dont find every day a clan who can give you so much like a nice armor, a good weapon, some adenas to make the quests and the teleports who was so expensive for the newbie guys.. As a player of lineage 2 i had very diffuculties i have 2-3 times quite the game because i wasn't able to play!

Godiva
08-12-2008, 05:09 AM
they changed where and how to get top a recs?
i did not see this in any patch?
got anymore info?
thnx

I am not absolutely sure but it seems top A recipes can be got from Royal coins quest. Untill now it gave only low and middle A recipes. For the last month the botters don't sell kail coins anymore but instead buy them and the "buy" price for blood dragon coin (the hardest to get) is more then 100k (Teon price). This have sense only if you will be able to get much more expensive recipes with this quest. Buying coins at this price leaves you with much smaller profit (if any at all) if you get only the low and middle A recipes.

CryForMe
08-12-2008, 05:15 AM
you sir, can clearly not read.
Magic crits are being capped and dmg from them is being reduced....


epic fail at ranting.

Kokutenko
08-12-2008, 05:17 AM
You sir, are, talking sincerely, stupid.

Godiva
08-12-2008, 05:17 AM
you see it in wrong way, when i start playing l2 i couldn't get it alone, i have many difficulties, i was 40 level with no grade weapon :( no money, no good armor and nothing i couldn't exp, the only way is to buy some adenas or to find a clan to really help me (give me armor weapon adenas etc)
so with this update i think i can handly a little in the beggining alone without any help or any donate.
Of course the bots will be benefit always do but and the real players will have some benefits. Anyway bots dont need so much those benefits because they making money with anyway any rates any drops.... human player is the thing the hard work. and if it's not possible even if i do all those quests to not get dresses with d grade even in 40lvl then it's useless to play and i quite the game.
And believe me you dont find every day a clan who can give you so much like a nice armor, a good weapon, some adenas to make the quests and the teleports who was so expensive for the newbie guys.. As a player of lineage 2 i had very diffuculties i have 2-3 times quite the game because i wasn't able to play!

That seesm true in the begining - but what will you acomplish when you hit A grade? Nothing. You still be Mr Noone - not because of you but because the A grade will mean nothing. So doesn it matter if you retire at lvl 40 or at lvl 62? But lets assume you get to S grade. And now what? You werent able to earn few kk to buy yourself decent D and C gear but you suddenly will be able to earn few hundred kk to buy yourself half-decent S gear? And meanwhile the important grade will be already S80 or even higher...

panosp1
08-12-2008, 05:21 AM
.......
2. Nerfing the archers. Why the fuck? The archers are PVP toons and they are strong not because they are archers but because most clans use auto-target script. Stopping such scripts from working is most easy task. But nah - they are going to nerf the archers. Why not stopping the illegal scripts?

HE fanboy much?
.......
3. Boosting the mages crit ratio. It sound reasonable. Now only the few heroes which spend several KKK to get WM on thier weapons will cry. I don't care.

WRONG! Magic crit rate is now capped at 20%. While you nerfed-archers still can easily reached 500 cap crit rate...Which realistically translates to like 4 of 5 arrows are critical hits.
.......
4. Boosting the daggers! WTF? They were killing with 1 hit untill now. What will be accomplished when they are boosted? This actually will help them with PVE and will not make any real difference with the PVP. So it seems the idea is to increase the number of daggers. But they are PK toons. What will give the increase of PK to the game?

This is not c1, and even with the 2 new skills a dagger still starts a fight with disadvantages.

.......
5. Increasing the CRP from academy and other sources. Leveling a clan up was an acomplishment. Now every botter will have his clan upped to lvl 6. The established lvl 6 and lvl 7 clans will become nothing.

Since when a lvl6 clan is considered an accomplishment?
.......
6. Destroying the economy including for A grade - with duals and the easy recipes for top A weapons. Who will go to Dino island for top A recipes when he can put a bot in forsaken and get it from a quest untill he drinks his morning coffee? And who will be the main beneficient from this - bots of course. Because they produce cash and mats.

Know something the rest of l2-NA+korea doesnt know ?
.......
7. Destroying the A grade as group at all. Now getting to a grade was something. Now everyone can go to A grade in couple of days. So all those players who spend much time to lvl to A grade will feel cheated (me myself). And who will be among the main beneficient from this? Again bots of course. Because the botters will not care if some high lvl bot trains are banned or not - they will be back just in 2 days.

This is like a 3-year old game... Reaching a-grade is not an accomplishment anymore.
If you are having trouble getting 61, then you are probably playing the wrong game.
.......
8. Destroying the only advantage which the dwarves had - the pole. No trains = no pole. But wait - the dwarves will become buffers now! WTF! Why lvl a dwarf to have a buffer? And who is the main beneficient from removing the trains? Bots of course.

.......
9. Increasing the XP through the vitallity system. At first it seems good. But for who? Not for the human players for sure. Because to give something to do to the top lvl players they will have to increase the max lvl. There are RB which are lvl 87 and 90. Guess the max lvl will be upped to 90 quite soon. So the players will benefit from the increased XP and will get from A to S grade only to find out the S grade is already nothing. You will have to be 85+ to be something. And who will be main beneficient from the increase will the bots again. But the old players who spend much time to get to lvl 78+ will feel cheated again.

Do you even understand how the Vit.system works? Bots are not going to profit from this.



Conclusion:
Its a nice thing you care about the game, but I'm afraid your information is wrong. Plain and simple.

kanasuke
08-12-2008, 05:21 AM
Now its when I click my IG macro for targets and...

"Go cry more on blah %Target Godiva.

Kokutenko
08-12-2008, 05:21 AM
That seesm true in the begining - but what will you acomplish when you hit A grade? Nothing. You still be Mr Noone - not because of you but because the A grade will mean nothing. So doesn it matter if you retire at lvl 40 or at lvl 62? But lets assume you get to S grade. And now what? You werent able to earn few kk to buy yourself decent D and C gear but you suddenly will be able to earn few hundred kk to buy yourself half-decent S gear? And meanwhile the important grade will be already S80 or even higher...
Ok... So you buy things instead of farm them from quests. Mkay... Start being korean dude, its their game and online gaming is their national sport.

Godiva
08-12-2008, 05:30 AM
About the A grade:
Now still most of the toons are A grade. Look at the prices of 22 buffs book 15+ kk and the price of 23 buffs book 8- kk

Kanjin
08-12-2008, 05:32 AM
http://blog.humlab.umu.se/darfurisdying.jpg

lambroslnk
08-12-2008, 05:36 AM
About the A grade:
Now still most of the toons are A grade. Look at the prices of 22 buffs book 15+ kk and the price of 23 buffs book 8- kk

A grade is nothing :)

Stanb
08-12-2008, 05:52 AM
About the A grade:
Now still most of the toons are A grade. Look at the prices of 22 buffs book 15+ kk and the price of 23 buffs book 8- kk

lol clueless, only reason 22'nd buffslot books are more expensive than 23'd is because 22nd drop 1 each time from 10~ rb's which are lvl 70~
while 23'd drop 10-15 each time u kill an epic boss
lol

Nanny
08-12-2008, 06:00 AM
Another whine thread about bots omg... Just start botting and don't mind them. It's all about blending in. GL!

davidemo
08-12-2008, 06:03 AM
Another whine thread about bots omg... Just start botting and don't mind them. It's all about blending in. GL!
STFU botter

RedWindBlade
08-12-2008, 06:25 AM
10. Hellbound. Untill now the bots have some difficulties gettign there. Starting from today there will be a special promotions for the bots - they will get there for nothing. Thats is. To get for the first time to Hellbound you will have only to talk to 2 NPCs. Will this matter to me or to any human player? Of course not. Because getting there just once is nothing for the human player. But it is everything the botters need - once there no force can remove them from hellbound. They will stay there till the game exists.


Where did you get this from??

pretty easy to move them from hb if the only can get there once and the island isent open...

as soon as hb is open every can get there...

yevonxxx
08-12-2008, 07:06 AM
buffs for ws are not bad,
i am a ws and must say that,well,it's better than nothing.

vitality system is good imho for legit players.

buying B grade weapon and armor is an excellent thing
as crafting a b grade armor/weapon is a pain in the ass,
also this way the price of b-a crystal will fall down
and this is great if you consider the great part
of your money go in shots.

while about no more trains in cata yes,
ncsoft love botters but we all know it.

xNesh
08-12-2008, 09:27 AM
This thread is an epic collection of bad info and lots of crying
a) no there are no top A recipes available through coin of magic (top A meaning Shyeed bow etc)
b) no there is no easy quest to get to hellbound, you still need to do the instances and kill balor. Difference is in the second quest
c) vitality is a non issue for trains that are logged on 24/7 .. they get none. Vitality is a boost for casual gamers that play 2-3 hours a day maybe not every day even ... gives them a chance to get more exp in a shorter amount of time. Vitality wont get you to 85 easy or whatever, it gets used up super fast and takes hours (like 9hours per vit level) to regen back. And those hours need to be logged off, if you re logged in afk it takes longer
d)clans lvl 6/7 became nothing when 9/10 were brought on
e)whaaaambulance coming

EnvyYou
08-12-2008, 10:37 AM
lol cry more faggot