Warlord or Destroyer

[Morokar]

Exactly what the description says. What's the pro/con of each comparatively in pve and pvp?

[Denito(WTT)]

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[Kenjiko]

Its a matter of what you want out of the char.

PVE

Pro-----

WL-AoE stun/Howl/Provoke for easy pulling

Destroyer-Can use great sword for normal parties or switch to pole for aoe groups/More con to toss out using tats

Con----

WL-Does AoE groups and thats about it/Heavily dependant on clans/friends to get anywhere past 65.

Destroyer-No aoe stun/provoke/howl


PVP

1.)WL

Pro-AoE stun for strategy disruption/Howl for 1v1's on daggers and glads

Con-Most of your dmg will be chip dmg while you wait for stun to come back/crap mdef/slow

2.)Destroyer

Pro-GS crits/Massive hp/Fury/Guts (going to 90 seconds in C4 I think)

Con-Slow/sucky mdef

[Drintera]

Well Warlords get focused attack which means you can run arround in any party you want and you wont wake up or aggro any mobs arround you. I got tons of groups after c3 hit - but alot of people forget all about focused attack.

Orcs have much more HP, but Warlords got more HP than any other Human class.

P.def isnt that bad, round 1000 with A grade and warding/magic barrier.

Otherwise I agree.

A warlord hitting 1 mob at a time is a hilariously shitty DD.

[Morokar]

A warlord hitting 1 mob at a time is a hilariously shitty DD.

Now, from your signature I'm goign to assume you don't have a Warlord. Because you don't have a Warlord you couldn't possibly know if that's true. Please don't post "theory". I would like to hear from actual warlords and actual destroyers that have actually played the respective classes.

[Rae]

Warlords are quite amazing. I've never played either Warlord or Destroyer but I've partied both as a healer. Warlord looks like a great and fun class. It does take more skill to play it since you MUST AOE for all your levels after level 40.

Destroyers just seem kind of boring to me at full hp (in normal group situation), because they lack the AOE skills to really excel with a polearm, and their 2h sword skills aren't too impressive. They are extremely dangerous when low on hitpoints, but speaking a healer that's not tolerable. :P

AOE groups are great exp for all involved. Warlords can often get into decent mixed AOE groups with nukers and the Warlord as a puller in dungeons. Their passive aoe aggro and their high HP make them decent tanks at high levels, and they can replace an AOE hate tank when a mage with sleep cloud is present.

AOE stun is uber, too. I'd say it depends on your server / clan / friends. If you have the resources and access to regular AOE parties, you will certainly be do better in an AOE group than a destroyer. Normal melee groups do not really care what classes they get, so if you most often get into normal groups go destroyer.

[Tanom]

Hmmm...
Last time i checked, a polearm is AoE
I play a 65+ Destroyer on Seig and its alot of fun. What i trully like about destroyers is their incredible versatility. They are DD's but also "fake-me-out" quasi-tanks too. But i think the answer as to whether a Dest. or WL is cooler woudl highly depend on various things.
For example, Equipment has a big say on abilities. It would also ascertain which is a better role, whether pvp'er or grinder. Other factors as well such as Tatts and the use of GHP's/Cp pots greatly affect the overall abilities and ranges of each class.
A particular pvp skill that AoE Destroyers and other classes get is "Wrath" which takes away Cp points. I havent fully explored it yet but it sounds interesting.
Playing a Dest. is a gang of fun. I am currently levling up a OL as well which is similiar to a WL but has different chants.

Lets just face it, Destroyers are just plain sexier.

[Anoxia]

I am currently levling up a OL as well which is similiar to a WL but has different chants.

Don't you mean WC, warcryer and Warlord are 2 complete different things.

[Morokar]

Well from looking at the posts here, and reading the skill sets of both classes, I think WL would be the better choice for trio with SE / OL. Since most of the skills I will get are AOE. I'm glad my brother rerolled to WL from Destroyer.

[Rae]

Hmmm...
Last time i checked, a polearm is AoE
I play a 65+ Destroyer on Seig and its alot of fun. What i trully like about destroyers is their incredible versatility. They are DD's but also "fake-me-out" quasi-tanks too. But i think the answer as to whether a Dest. or WL is cooler woudl highly depend on various things.
For example, Equipment has a big say on abilities. It would also ascertain which is a better role, whether pvp'er or grinder. Other factors as well such as Tatts and the use of GHP's/Cp pots greatly affect the overall abilities and ranges of each class.
A particular pvp skill that AoE Destroyers and other classes get is "Wrath" which takes away Cp points. I havent fully explored it yet but it sounds interesting.
Playing a Dest. is a gang of fun. I am currently levling up a OL as well which is similiar to a WL but has different chants.

Lets just face it, Destroyers are just plain sexier.

Nope, Warlord is way sexier. ^^ Human male fighter >>>>> orc male fighter. Sorry. :P

Destroyers do get polearm masteries, but they lack enough active skills pertaining to polearms to really excel in AOE. Most notably gathering the mobs quickly and efficiently.

Warlords get aoe stun thunderstorm, provoke which gets passive mobs aggro to them, howl which is aoe p.atk debuff, and their skill of p.atk increase as hp decrease is a nice passive that works even when their hp isn't 1/5 (like frenzy). They get wrath also...

Mainly I am speaking as a healer and watching other mages. Warlords can gather up a huge train of mobs even passive ones quickly and efficiently, pull to a corner, activate thrill fight increasing their attack speed, howl, then thunderstorm, whirlwind, and will likely not lose aggro since the passive mobs were already "provoked."

Can't tell you how many times I've had a dwarf or orc with polearm masteries aoe pull passives by hitting them once (getting hit a few times more than a Warlord also), and mid-fight all the passives glue to healers like crazy... ending up with almost dead healers, or if not, very low mp and long downtimes. T.T

My personal experience of course, and I've grouped with some very good dwarves/orcs with polearms. But they were not good AOE pullers. For pure mage aoe in AB you need hate tank + fast runner like PW/SR, but in dungeons and other places a WL can replace the hate tank especially with aoe rooter/sleeper.

[Morokar]

actually not entirely true.

When my brother and I were AOE'ing in NoS, he would pull with his raider, gather up everythign he could, then when he go to his corner, I would Seal of Bind (aoe root) and then Seal of Chaos (aoe accuracy debuff) and then if he needed healing he could be healed no problem, or if we had a nuker with us they could spam nukes w/o fear.

[poltaction]

Warlord, potentially the worst pvp character. I meen yes they can hit multiple targets which is a a good thing especially in PVE. When i was lvl 57HE i 1v1'd a lvl 57 warlord ( both fully buffed) the warlord couldnt even take a quarter of my cp away.

[Morokar]

Thank you for your input, but it has already been established that Warlords lose to ranged attacks, like most melee do.

[poltaction]

lol what u talking about, a warlord cannot beet any class 1v1 except for maybe a healer.

[Lins]

i'd pick warlord over destoryer anyday

thrill fight stacks with all atk spd buffs
that + focus and crit stun = gg

[Sheera]

Warlord is a way better poleuser then a Destroyer.
Everything they do and have is focussed on on weapon a polearm.

However saying a Destroyer is useless with a pole is just not true.
And a Destroyer is WAAAAAY more then frenzy.
Frenzy is a funny arena skill and sometimes saves your ass in tricky situations. But mostly is rather useless especially if you have the DD destroyer and raped your Con for more Str and maybe more Dex.

A warlord and a destroyer make a real good pole team. Warlord uses his skills to weaken the mobs, stun them etc etc. The Destroyer can use rage and is mainly brute power. In A-grade with buffs a Str-rigged Destroyer can easily get over 1.3k patk with a pole.
A three man party WL,Des,SE can do any catacomb equal to their lvl. Just bring some haste pots (outside Prophet)

PVP wise the warlord is not great in 1v1 (no range) In mass pvp and sieges however he's great. Run in do wrath, AOE stun, maybe hit a few times and all targets are nicely softened.
Defending a siege flag with a few warlords is awesome. Don't expect to be the uber killer but you certainly contribute a lot to killing the enemy.

[Morokar]

Well I actually played a Destroyer to 53. My brother got 40-44 yesterday aoe'ing and there is no comparison between the two classes when it comes to AOE. After seeing my brother w/ a crit stun pole, the mobs being constant stunned between his pole, and that aoe stun he got...

Between his howl, my seal of chaos, seal of winter, and him being fully SO buffed, the mobs are virtual kittens. We got so much xp it was sickening to watch, but very pleased with our class choices.

And about pvp, there was a bot group farming around us in a room and when I went to town to restock, he decided to go play with them. He trained them in the room they were in, then went to flag on them. The bot group started attacking him, all in front of him, and he got +5 pvp and killed all the mob.

Auto-Assist vs Warlord is the devil.

[DemonWolf]

Warlord is a way better poleuser then a Destroyer.
Everything they do and have is focussed on on weapon a polearm.

However saying a Destroyer is useless with a pole is just not true.
And a Destroyer is WAAAAAY more then frenzy.
Frenzy is a funny arena skill and sometimes saves your ass in tricky situations. But mostly is rather useless especially if you have the DD destroyer and raped your Con for more Str and maybe more Dex.

A warlord and a destroyer make a real good pole team. Warlord uses his skills to weaken the mobs, stun them etc etc. The Destroyer can use rage and is mainly brute power. In A-grade with buffs a Str-rigged Destroyer can easily get over 1.3k patk with a pole.
A three man party WL,Des,SE can do any catacomb equal to their lvl. Just bring some haste pots (outside Prophet)

PVP wise the warlord is not great in 1v1 (no range) In mass pvp and sieges however he's great. Run in do wrath, AOE stun, maybe hit a few times and all targets are nicely softened.
Defending a siege flag with a few warlords is awesome. Don't expect to be the uber killer but you certainly contribute a lot to killing the enemy.You make teon Look carebear as hell
frenzy as a arena skill. Ever heard of mass pvp with xp loss. Also im a 60+++ destroyer and trust me in PVP We beat = lvled WL but in PVp yea they can aoe and may lvl faster. Destroyers are fun as hell if ur into pvp.
WL arent much fun in pvp unless it's mass pvp. poles arent much good against melee but a Warlord isnt a bad class...

[Diego Vargas]

OK if we are talking about C4 theres gonna be some serious shit to consider when fighting a warlord.

First they get the new skill Shockblast, which is a 600 range aoe Stun, that can Crit. Power isnt the greatest at 1973, but lol 600 range aoe crit-stun?!

Then they get Earthquake, holy mother .. its a whirlwind UCAOE but it has a power of 4040 and causes all that are hit by it to lose their target and blocks targeting for 3 seconds LOL.

They also get parry stance which is effective mobile UD.

Danger will robinson.

[Hahn]

wtf, 600 range AoE stun? o_o

[Kasper]

i've played both...


warlord + 2boxed SE is an awsome combo to solo w/... just go into a catacomb w/ greens and pull an entire room to one corner and light them up...


destroyers are a much more versitle though, if you get bored of pole you can just switch to blunt or 2h