WinterNight
08-28-2008, 04:05 PM
why IN have giran and why IN cooperate with nm/imp ?
cuz fatigan and her padawan sci wanna fuck us on 1st siege and kill pixel when he casting giran, but before IN said "we want rune", noone can fuck us, better for you is
fuck urself.
now go die.
I'll probably regret making a blah account.
Anyways, I'm not sure if you were at the siege meeting we all had on friday, the day before sieges, but nowhere did Divine ever say we were going to attack Rune. We talked about all castles, and everyone was suggested to sign Rune as it would be a mass pvp. The only castle we said we would go for was Giran. I have also since immediately after siege spoke with CD/FS officers that were themselves present at the siege meeting and while some thought we were going for Rune as well, after recollecting what was said at the meeting, they agreed that thier assumption was incorrect as well.
I normallly do not post council forums posts, but seeing as how many people are still misinformed about what was said regarding the initial siege weekend, I am going to copy what was discussed in the aftermath. The first paragraph is my reply to Divine members on the confusion that followed the sieges, the rest were posts straight from the coalition council forums:
I have nothing against FS following CD, they raided together as well. I don't hold them at fault for it.
I am posting these conversations from the coalition forums so that everyone will know exactly what transpired and eliminate any doubts if you have any that we earned and have all rights to Giran. The only way that offensive can justify attacking our castle and getting FS and CD to help is to say it was thier castle. But that argument holds no merit. Well, you can decide for yourself, but you should at least have all the facts before making any judgements. These posts are just informative, you can reach your own conclusions. Sorry for the long post btw. but i wanted to make sure i got all the conversation posted.
Fort's comment
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you think they care? its same like they didnt agree in front of all coalition officers at vent that giran goes to offensive and rune to divine...
i hope they will be happy with imp in ally as not many choices left for them.
Karigan's response:
Were you at the meeting? Nope.
I never said a word about casting on Rune at the meeting. I said we were signed for the pvp at rune. I also specifically said Divine would be signed for Giran on Saturday. All coalition leaders heard it.
fort's response:
yeah you are right i wasnt there , its fine karigan you never posted at officers forum you want rune as you have ch there (you = divine officers) no you didnt kill our caster after we posted we take giran and only signed alt at giran so we can better help cd at goddard.
my response:
The only post regarding castles was my post about rune, which i made 3 weeks before siege almost. And it was merely an initialy statement to get the discussion going. Ver's followup post on this board was likewise to start the discussion going as no one had said anything about castles and she used my post as her template. I'm not sure how you go from those posts to us definitely saying we wanted Rune as at no time in our meeting friday we said we would take Rune. Only times Rune was mentioned as a possible target, it was said that there would be mass pvp for it and we all should sign for pvp as it was mentioned all NM would go there.
We both signed for giran and both had equal rights to take it from NPC and enemies. But taking the castle from each other when one already owned it is totally different or maybe I see things differently. And anyone at the meeting feel free to tell me at any time did Divine say we were gonna take Rune?
fort's response:
so 3 weeks ago we signed for giran ad said we take it? 3 weeks ago we signed with our main clan for goddard to help others? you posted anything after our post? rofl sry dave you know you are one of my best friends in this game, but thats slowly become a joke. remember what was divine and stop being IN. you know how it ended last time when dvine was like that and be sure this time your enemies wont be so friendly,
my response:
Actually yes, I did post after the meeting what was said from our side, I said divine signed rune for sunday and giran for saturday. Not really sure what else you meant about signing 3 weeks ago. All I was saying was the post I made 3 weeks ago in the Divine coalition forums was the only place I ever mentioned Rune and that was just the start discussions. As you know things change up to the last minute especially for sieges depending who's signing where. Only during the meeting friday was anything ever defined.
fort's response:
perhabs you missunderstood that with the 3 weeks ago as it was a joke. we signed on friday for sieges. 1 day before. its fine you took giran first. but what would you have taken if we wouldnt have hold up 70% of enemies in town? where were all the divine last 15min? they killed our caster while we hold up enemie allone at the gate? you see things arent so easy, and as i said whinning kari won some battles but lost our friendship. gl with fathips and co. divine is dead long live IN.
my response:
Ah ok sorry, I did missunderstand, but that does prove something that Divine never said we were signing Rune, as almost everyone signed on friday the day before siege (except FS, I think they signed for Aden already).
Regarding all the enemies you saw in town, were the one's we killed off the battlefield and those that d/c'd from the first attack when Divine went alone and took the castle from Ragnarok. What happened after, I can't tell you much as i was too busy fighting and buffing to be watching the east gate.
I do know that there was no coordinated attacks between us. And everytime we got word that you were engaging the enemy we came as well, but you can't expect us to know when you hit them if nothing is told to us. And the only way we knew you were attacking them at times was from a divine member in your group. But usually we got word as you were hitting them and by the time we hit them, you were already killed off the field. And I'm sure everyone there would agree that it took both of us to kick them out of the castle the 2nd time. So trying to say who fought more will be a fruitless argument as both sides fought hard.
And after all that if you still think that killing your caster as he was casting in the last 7 minutes of siege or something, when we had the castle already was an act of sabotage, then I guess we have different ideas on that as well. As I think trying to cast when we owned the castle was the agressive act.
So I still don't see the argument on how Divine broke or backstabbed anyone at siege, when all we did was go to the castle we had told everyone we were signing for and killed the enemies and took the castle. So if you took the castle from the enemy/npc and we came and started casting while you held it, you'd have let us cast? I highly think not. Obviously there's a disparity on who thinks who was trying to get what castle. If we said we didn't want giran and then showed up and tried to take it, I could fully understand your point, but the fact we told everyone in the siege meeting on friday we were going giran, that should have eliminated any confusion on our target which I thought was the whole point of the meeting in the first place.
And the only reason ragnarok was able to get close to retaking the castle at the end was b/c offensive broke down all the gates after we had retaken the castle and gave ragnarok a straight shot inside when were all standing outside the front gates waiting for the enemies to come back.
fort's final response:
sry dave but you were somehow at the wrong siege.what would have lol divine have casted without us? without us fight at the gates? we will go for giran next cycle. let there be wars. i hope you make same fake partys like for valakas with the lvl60 gladis so karigan can cry you have so many ppl.... you think we cant look at cc and we are all stupid? rofl
my final response:
Divine took the castle from ragnarok without your assistant Rob, that's what we did. By holding the respawned ragnarok that went to town obviously helps, but you had no hand in the initial attack as by the time you guys got to the east gate and gathered, the first fight was already over. Say whatever you want, but we were the only one's at the castle fighting ragnarok for the first 30 minutes.
Does that mean we have more rights to the castle? No, as I mentioned I think both divine and offensive had equal rights to take the castle, but posting that we couldn't cast without your assistance is wrong as we already took the castle without any assistance.
And if you think you had any chance against ragnarok by yourselves, then you are also greatly mistaken. I have no problems conceding the fact that to retake the castle we definitely needed help and also to defend it when ragnarok fully regrouped. I have said as much in previous posts. I dont' think anyone in Divine has said we did everything alone and would have won without offensive and even cd's involvement.
As for valakas, we had 1 melee party come that wanted to see valakas. We asked and g13 said that numbers wouldn't affect the difficulty of the raid and if we had room, it would be no problem, so we took a party in (don't know who was in it) to come. I don't know about numbers per raid and that is not something I care about. I've posted numerous times that everyone has brought thier share to all events minus the epic raids at night when most euro's are sleeping which is understandable.
However, as we are the only 2 people posting on this and FS and CD have yet to give any opinion on the matter, there is no point for us to rehash our same opinions.
Offensive has already made your stance clear that you do not want to work with us on future sieges and raids, and likewise Divine has no wish to further cooperate with Offensive as well.
If you attack our castle, we will defend like we would against any enemy.
What FS and the rest of your new alliance in Carpe Diem does remains to be seen. Whatever happens, good luck to you rob and see you at Giran.
People can have different points of view, but you can't argue facts and the only facts are from the forums and the meeting we had on friday. Nowhere in either did Divine ever say we were going to take Rune. The only castle we said we'd take was Giran.
So if you want to fight Divine, just say you want to fight us. Stop using Giran castle as your justification as it's based on a false assumption. The only backstabbing was by your clan leader to try and cast on a castle that we were currently in possesion of. I like to see your reasoning for that in light of the facts.
Well anyways, good luck to you in and out of game. See you on the battlefield.
S&H
WinterNight
cuz fatigan and her padawan sci wanna fuck us on 1st siege and kill pixel when he casting giran, but before IN said "we want rune", noone can fuck us, better for you is
fuck urself.
now go die.
I'll probably regret making a blah account.
Anyways, I'm not sure if you were at the siege meeting we all had on friday, the day before sieges, but nowhere did Divine ever say we were going to attack Rune. We talked about all castles, and everyone was suggested to sign Rune as it would be a mass pvp. The only castle we said we would go for was Giran. I have also since immediately after siege spoke with CD/FS officers that were themselves present at the siege meeting and while some thought we were going for Rune as well, after recollecting what was said at the meeting, they agreed that thier assumption was incorrect as well.
I normallly do not post council forums posts, but seeing as how many people are still misinformed about what was said regarding the initial siege weekend, I am going to copy what was discussed in the aftermath. The first paragraph is my reply to Divine members on the confusion that followed the sieges, the rest were posts straight from the coalition council forums:
I have nothing against FS following CD, they raided together as well. I don't hold them at fault for it.
I am posting these conversations from the coalition forums so that everyone will know exactly what transpired and eliminate any doubts if you have any that we earned and have all rights to Giran. The only way that offensive can justify attacking our castle and getting FS and CD to help is to say it was thier castle. But that argument holds no merit. Well, you can decide for yourself, but you should at least have all the facts before making any judgements. These posts are just informative, you can reach your own conclusions. Sorry for the long post btw. but i wanted to make sure i got all the conversation posted.
Fort's comment
** deleted some no pertinant quote he made regarding another topic**
you think they care? its same like they didnt agree in front of all coalition officers at vent that giran goes to offensive and rune to divine...
i hope they will be happy with imp in ally as not many choices left for them.
Karigan's response:
Were you at the meeting? Nope.
I never said a word about casting on Rune at the meeting. I said we were signed for the pvp at rune. I also specifically said Divine would be signed for Giran on Saturday. All coalition leaders heard it.
fort's response:
yeah you are right i wasnt there , its fine karigan you never posted at officers forum you want rune as you have ch there (you = divine officers) no you didnt kill our caster after we posted we take giran and only signed alt at giran so we can better help cd at goddard.
my response:
The only post regarding castles was my post about rune, which i made 3 weeks before siege almost. And it was merely an initialy statement to get the discussion going. Ver's followup post on this board was likewise to start the discussion going as no one had said anything about castles and she used my post as her template. I'm not sure how you go from those posts to us definitely saying we wanted Rune as at no time in our meeting friday we said we would take Rune. Only times Rune was mentioned as a possible target, it was said that there would be mass pvp for it and we all should sign for pvp as it was mentioned all NM would go there.
We both signed for giran and both had equal rights to take it from NPC and enemies. But taking the castle from each other when one already owned it is totally different or maybe I see things differently. And anyone at the meeting feel free to tell me at any time did Divine say we were gonna take Rune?
fort's response:
so 3 weeks ago we signed for giran ad said we take it? 3 weeks ago we signed with our main clan for goddard to help others? you posted anything after our post? rofl sry dave you know you are one of my best friends in this game, but thats slowly become a joke. remember what was divine and stop being IN. you know how it ended last time when dvine was like that and be sure this time your enemies wont be so friendly,
my response:
Actually yes, I did post after the meeting what was said from our side, I said divine signed rune for sunday and giran for saturday. Not really sure what else you meant about signing 3 weeks ago. All I was saying was the post I made 3 weeks ago in the Divine coalition forums was the only place I ever mentioned Rune and that was just the start discussions. As you know things change up to the last minute especially for sieges depending who's signing where. Only during the meeting friday was anything ever defined.
fort's response:
perhabs you missunderstood that with the 3 weeks ago as it was a joke. we signed on friday for sieges. 1 day before. its fine you took giran first. but what would you have taken if we wouldnt have hold up 70% of enemies in town? where were all the divine last 15min? they killed our caster while we hold up enemie allone at the gate? you see things arent so easy, and as i said whinning kari won some battles but lost our friendship. gl with fathips and co. divine is dead long live IN.
my response:
Ah ok sorry, I did missunderstand, but that does prove something that Divine never said we were signing Rune, as almost everyone signed on friday the day before siege (except FS, I think they signed for Aden already).
Regarding all the enemies you saw in town, were the one's we killed off the battlefield and those that d/c'd from the first attack when Divine went alone and took the castle from Ragnarok. What happened after, I can't tell you much as i was too busy fighting and buffing to be watching the east gate.
I do know that there was no coordinated attacks between us. And everytime we got word that you were engaging the enemy we came as well, but you can't expect us to know when you hit them if nothing is told to us. And the only way we knew you were attacking them at times was from a divine member in your group. But usually we got word as you were hitting them and by the time we hit them, you were already killed off the field. And I'm sure everyone there would agree that it took both of us to kick them out of the castle the 2nd time. So trying to say who fought more will be a fruitless argument as both sides fought hard.
And after all that if you still think that killing your caster as he was casting in the last 7 minutes of siege or something, when we had the castle already was an act of sabotage, then I guess we have different ideas on that as well. As I think trying to cast when we owned the castle was the agressive act.
So I still don't see the argument on how Divine broke or backstabbed anyone at siege, when all we did was go to the castle we had told everyone we were signing for and killed the enemies and took the castle. So if you took the castle from the enemy/npc and we came and started casting while you held it, you'd have let us cast? I highly think not. Obviously there's a disparity on who thinks who was trying to get what castle. If we said we didn't want giran and then showed up and tried to take it, I could fully understand your point, but the fact we told everyone in the siege meeting on friday we were going giran, that should have eliminated any confusion on our target which I thought was the whole point of the meeting in the first place.
And the only reason ragnarok was able to get close to retaking the castle at the end was b/c offensive broke down all the gates after we had retaken the castle and gave ragnarok a straight shot inside when were all standing outside the front gates waiting for the enemies to come back.
fort's final response:
sry dave but you were somehow at the wrong siege.what would have lol divine have casted without us? without us fight at the gates? we will go for giran next cycle. let there be wars. i hope you make same fake partys like for valakas with the lvl60 gladis so karigan can cry you have so many ppl.... you think we cant look at cc and we are all stupid? rofl
my final response:
Divine took the castle from ragnarok without your assistant Rob, that's what we did. By holding the respawned ragnarok that went to town obviously helps, but you had no hand in the initial attack as by the time you guys got to the east gate and gathered, the first fight was already over. Say whatever you want, but we were the only one's at the castle fighting ragnarok for the first 30 minutes.
Does that mean we have more rights to the castle? No, as I mentioned I think both divine and offensive had equal rights to take the castle, but posting that we couldn't cast without your assistance is wrong as we already took the castle without any assistance.
And if you think you had any chance against ragnarok by yourselves, then you are also greatly mistaken. I have no problems conceding the fact that to retake the castle we definitely needed help and also to defend it when ragnarok fully regrouped. I have said as much in previous posts. I dont' think anyone in Divine has said we did everything alone and would have won without offensive and even cd's involvement.
As for valakas, we had 1 melee party come that wanted to see valakas. We asked and g13 said that numbers wouldn't affect the difficulty of the raid and if we had room, it would be no problem, so we took a party in (don't know who was in it) to come. I don't know about numbers per raid and that is not something I care about. I've posted numerous times that everyone has brought thier share to all events minus the epic raids at night when most euro's are sleeping which is understandable.
However, as we are the only 2 people posting on this and FS and CD have yet to give any opinion on the matter, there is no point for us to rehash our same opinions.
Offensive has already made your stance clear that you do not want to work with us on future sieges and raids, and likewise Divine has no wish to further cooperate with Offensive as well.
If you attack our castle, we will defend like we would against any enemy.
What FS and the rest of your new alliance in Carpe Diem does remains to be seen. Whatever happens, good luck to you rob and see you at Giran.
People can have different points of view, but you can't argue facts and the only facts are from the forums and the meeting we had on friday. Nowhere in either did Divine ever say we were going to take Rune. The only castle we said we'd take was Giran.
So if you want to fight Divine, just say you want to fight us. Stop using Giran castle as your justification as it's based on a false assumption. The only backstabbing was by your clan leader to try and cast on a castle that we were currently in possesion of. I like to see your reasoning for that in light of the facts.
Well anyways, good luck to you in and out of game. See you on the battlefield.
S&H
WinterNight