What is life all about? Here are the answers.

[Revolvermann]

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[LightsabeR]

Vibration vibration vibration... seems to me like she's living in a dream world where everything can be fixed by altering those so called "vibrations". So no, these are not the answers to what life is about in the real world.

[Revolvermann]

Vibration vibration vibration... seems to me like she's living in a dream world where everything can be fixed by altering those so called "vibrations". So no, these are not the answers to what life is about in the real world.

Vibrations = focus

What one focus on, becomes his experiences.
If one focus on all the trouble in world, he experiences the world as a place full of shit and he will drag everything that he calls trouble into his own life.

Btw, modern physic (quantum physic) tells, that everything that exists is an vibration of energy. The slower the vibrations the more dense it appears to us and we experience it as matter.

[LightsabeR]

Vibrations = focus

What one focus on, becomes his experiences.
If one focus on all the trouble in world, he experiences the world as a place full of shit and he will drag everything that he calls trouble into his own life.
Well by going by the things she's saying this scenario should be possible:

You are about to be beaten up by the husband of the women you fucked last night. Since you don't want to get your ass whooped you give off positive vibrations and the other person will stop hating you for what you did.

An extreme example, but pretty much what she's saying. While she is right that focusing on positive things does make your life better, she is dead wrong that by simply changing your focus you are able to change the people around you.

[Revolvermann]

Well by going by the things she's saying this scenario should be possible:

You are about to be beaten up by the husband of the women you fucked last night. Since you don't want to get your ass whooped you give off positive vibrations and the other person will stop hating you for what you did.

An extreme example, but pretty much what she's saying. While she is right that focusing on positive things does make your life better, she is dead wrong that by simply changing your focus you are able to change the people around you.

She didnt say, that you can change the people around you. You can not change the people around you, you can only change yourself, which makes the people change themself in relation to you. Everbody is his own master. This is not about mind control of others, but of your own.
If you appear as a friendly guy, people will treat you like a friendly guy, if you appear like an asshole, people will most likely treat you like an asshole, unless you find someone, who is already a master of his own mind and who doesnt get affected by your behaviour.

[LightsabeR]

Believe that if you want. I agree it would be nice if it was so easy, but in the real world it's not.

Let me bring you some events from history. When the Hitler sentenced the jews to be exterminated, do you think the jews should have just appeared more friendly and then Hitler would have decided that there is no reason to kill them?

When the people of Africa were enslaved by colonizers, would they have been sent free if they just changed their "vibration" and thought of themselves as not slaves but free men?

Sometimes it just doesn't matter what you do or how you behave, you're gonna get screwed.

[Revolvermann]

Believe that if you want. I agree it would be nice if it was so easy, but in the real world it's not.

Let me bring you some events from history. When the Hitler sentenced the jews to be exterminated, do you think the jews should have just appeared more friendly and then Hitler would have decided that there is no reason to kill them?

When the people of Africa were enslaved by colonizers, would they have been sent free if they just changed their "vibration" and thought of themselves as not slaves but free men?

Sometimes it just doesn't matter what you do or how you behave, you're gonna get screwed.

If a single person is under physical control of others, the single person cant change the other by some kind of mind-force, he can only change his perspective of the situation, if he cant change the situation itself. But that doesnt contradict the theory, that one drags into his life, what he focus on. Example:
Two persons are standing in the rain.
One says: Fuck the weather.
Two says: I like rain, nice weather.
So one experience the situation as bad and the other one as nice, although both experience the same physical situation.

On a pure phyical level, if you focus on money you will drag money into your life. The problem is, most people focus on their poorness, on the fact, that they dont have money.
People focus on what they dont want to have instead on what they want to have.
The thought: "I dont want to be poor", drags poorness into your life, because not the words themself are important, but what you focus on by the words and with "I dont want to be poor" one focus very strong on his poorness, which makes the poorness persist.

And concerning easy:
This is far from easy. The concept itself is easy to understand, but very hard to live.

[sumie]

One can only assume that you have never been poor before living in a gang infested housing project in Camden, NJ. This is the real world the only thing vibrations will do in the hood is get you shot.

[LightsabeR]

Question: "Why doesn't everyone use their natural ability to be happy to get everything they want out of life?"

Answer: "Everyone can have whatever they want, but if you get fixated on shortage, shortage will be your experience."

That just doesn't make any sense at all. You are poor and living on the street. How can you have whatever you want? Say you want food but can't get any. Are you just not supposed to fixate on the fact that you are hungry and then magically be fine?

[Revolvermann]

One can only assume that you have never been poor before living in a gang infested housing project in Camden, NJ. This is the real world the only thing vibrations will do in the hood is get you shot.

I dont want to make fun of tough lifes of others, but the fact that there are people who suffer, doesnt contradict, the theory, that they will keep suffering until they start to focus on something else.

If someone is walkling through the city believing that every time he is walking through the city, most of the traffic lights he has to pass are red when he arrives, he will experience a city full of red traffic lights and it will appear to him like some kind of personel curse. In fact, the traffic lights will be red and green like always, but because he focus only on the red ones, he will make the experience, that most traffic lights are red when he arrives. He will even start to walk through the city in a way, that will make sure, that he will catch all red lights in order to prove himself on a subconscious level, that he is right about his bad luck concerning traffic lights.

[Revolvermann]

Question: "Why doesn't everyone use their natural ability to be happy to get everything they want out of life?"

Answer: "Everyone can have whatever they want, but if you get fixated on shortage, shortage will be your experience."

That just doesn't make any sense at all. You are poor and living on the street. How can you have whatever you want? Say you want food but can't get any. Are you just not supposed to fixate on the fact that you are hungry and then magically be fine?

The more one suffers, the harder it becomes, to use his ability to focus on someting else than his suffering. In fact, if you are starving you will most likely not be able to focus on anything else than your hunger.
But the fact, that there are very bad extrem-situations, doesnt contradict the theory.
There is also a theory, that, if someone jumps out of an airoplane from an altitude of 10 km without a parachute, he will most likely be dead, when he hits the ground. Anyhow there are proven events, where people survived such an accident.
That means, the exception does not contradict the rule, it proves it.

But also here the theory works, because its up to oneself whether he focus on the rule or the exception.

[sumie]

I dont want to make fun of tough lifes of others, but the fact that there are people who suffer, doesnt contradict, the theory, that they will keep suffering until they start to focus on something else.

If someone is walkling through the city believing that every time he is walking through the city, most of the traffic lights he has to pass are red when he arrives, he will experience a city full of red traffic lights and it will appear to him like some kind of personel curse. In fact, the traffic lights will be red and green like always, but because he focus only on the red ones, he will make the experience, that most traffic lights are red when he arrives. He will even start to walk through the city in a way, that will make sure, that he will catch all red lights in order to prove himself on a subconscious level, that he is right about is bad luck concerning traffic lights.


lol............Who the fuck cares about traffic lights? Even if you focus on other things while living in the hood you're still going to be living a shitty life even if you think you aren't. One can focus on what they want but their surroundings will still effect them +/- even if they aren't focusing on them. Actually it would make more sense to focus on the problem(s) in a situation like this. Maybe I'm just too ignorant to grasp some bullshit theory about vibrations. Like I said I live in the real world.

[LightsabeR]

but the fact that there are people who suffer, doesnt contradict, the theory, that they will keep suffering until they start to focus on something else.
Oh come on. So those very same people who are suffering should just imagine that they are not suffering and everything will be ok? Stop living in a dream world, please.

Having a positive outlook when you're in a shitty situation doesn't make the situation less shitty, it just makes you think that it's less shitty. Also, trying too hard to find positive things where there really aren't any cause people to become too accepting of bad situations, while in reality they should be working hard to get themselves out of that bad situation.

Anyway, whatever I say won't change your mind and quite frankly I don't have the time to philosophize on this subject.

[Revolvermann]

lol............Who the fuck cares about traffic lights? Even if you focus on other things while living in the hood you're still going to be living a shitty life even if you think you aren't. One can focus on what they want but their surroundings will still effect them +/- even if they aren't focusing on them. Actually it would make more sense to focus on the problem(s) in a situation like this. Maybe I'm just too ignorant to grasp some bullshit theory about vibrations. Like I said I live in the real world.

Since I dont know your particular situation, I cant and wont give you any advices. All I can say is, dont jugde by appearances. Not life itself is shitty, situations are and there is no situation, which cant be changed.

[Revolvermann]

Oh come on. So those very same people who are suffering should just imagine that they are not suffering and everything will be ok? Stop living in a dream world, please.

Having a positive outlook when you're in a shitty situation doesn't make the situation less shitty, it just makes you think that it's less shitty. Also, trying too hard to find positive things where there really aren't any cause people to become too accepting of bad situations, while in reality they should be working hard to get themselves out of that bad situation.

Anyway, whatever I say won't change your mind and quite frankly I don't have the time to philosophize on this subject.

What makes a situation shitty? Your thoughts about it. If you dont think a situation is bad, then the situation isnt bad for you, no matter what the situation is. Thats the point of my example about the two guys standing in the rain.

[LightsabeR]

What makes a situation shitty? Your thoughts about it. If you dont think a situation is bad, then the situation isnt bad for you, no matter what the situation is. Thats the point of my example about the two guys standing in the rain.
So what you are saying is that whatever the situation, if you look at it as a good thing, the situation will undoubtedly be good. But that's not how it is in real life.

Having a strictly positive outlook on things does not make everything good it just means that you are fooling yourself into thinking that everything is good.

When you are unjustly convicted and sentenced to jail for the rest of your life and you think, "hey, maybe it's a good thing, I might meet some interesting people in there", then I think there's something wrong with your head.

[sumie]

I'm done with this. Sure for the simple things it will work but if you truely believe that it works for everything well than good for you.

[Revolvermann]

So what you are saying is that whatever the situation, if you look at it as a good thing, the situation will undoubtedly be good. But that's not how it is in real life.

Having a strictly positive outlook on things does not make everything good it just means that you are fooling yourself into thinking that everything is good.

When you are unjustly convicted and sentenced to jail for the rest of your life and you think, "hey, maybe it's a good thing, I might meet some interesting people in there", then I think there's something wrong with your head.

There are always exceptions (I gave examples), because you are not alone in the world. There are billions of people with different desires and different focus and as much different lifes and different situations.
If you are in jail and you cant change the situation, the only thing you can still control is your thoughts about the situation.
Or you can give up and die in agony. The choice is yours.
What you experience as reality is only your thoughts about it all. You just think something is bad. You are free to think whatever you want and that fact is, what makes it difficult.
Of course are there situations which are bad for most people and there are a lot of situations we cant understand, but this all doesnt matter. What matters is your own situation. You are not starving in west-africa, you are not suffering in china, you are not dieing in iraq. We have to deal with what happens to us and there we can try to figure out how life works.
This theory works in my life.

[LightsabeR]

This theory works in my life.
Yes, of course. See that's the thing with theories like this, it only works when you're living a good life and don't have to face very serious issues.

It works, if you're being bullied in school. It works when your girlfriend dumps you. If works when you're just having a bad day.


Listen, I'm all for having a positive outlook on life, I try to do that myself. But I hate it when someone comes and tells me that everything can be solved if I just keep a positive attitude and "change my vibrations".

[sumie]

I couldn't agree anymore with you.

Doesn't work for me in anyway though. Having cancer really there is no way to be like "Well it's only cancer at least I'm not as bad as that cancer patient." Some things in life you have to worry about and not focus on other things. I understand the whole concept but to me it's just a crock of shit. Good for all the people who can apply this theory to their lives.

[Revolvermann]

Yes, of course. See that's the thing with theories like this, it only works when you're living a good life and don't have to face very serious issues.

It works, if you're being bullied in school. It works when your girlfriend dumps you. If works when you're just having a bad day.
I asure you, I went through extremly hard times during the last 39 years and it´s still not over, but it is getting better since I started to understand how life realy works.


Listen, I'm all for having a positive outlook on life, I try to do that myself. But I hate it when someone comes and tells me that everything can be solved if I just keep a positive attitude and "change my vibrations".

I never said that everything can be solved by just keeping a positive attitude. I didnt talk nore thought in absolutes.
All I said is, you get what you are focused on, in fact in a good sense, but also in a bad sense. This doesnt mean, that we are in control of everything.
Let me tell you something more.
The world, you experience, is always a mirror of the world inside you, a mirror of your believes about whats true and whats untrue. You will rightfully ask, how can that be?
Because there is no other world, than the world inside your head. Let me explain.
Since the beginning philosophy had asked: What is it, that can not be doubt? Is there something, we can be absolutely sure of, something that is exactly the way we think it is?
Everything we call real / reality is nothing but an interpretation of the very very limited information about the world we get from our senses through looking, hearing etc.
A beam of light goes through our eyes to our brain and then in some miraculous process a image gets created and we see it in our mind. But there is no way for us to be sure, that this image what we see or this sound we hear in our head shows us whats realy around us. We can not directly experience anything outside of our mind. So the entire world we call reality is nothing but an interpretation of our sense perceptions.
Its also possible, that there is nothing out there and everything is just a dream created by ourselfs.
So whats left we can be realy sure of?
The one thing we can be realy sure of is, that we are.
We can be sure of that we are a consciousness in which the dream can arise. We can not know what we are or who we are, we can only know that we are.
This is exactly what God said in the bible when Moses asked him who he is and God answered "I am who I am".
So, if everything, which is real, is our own mind, then we are the creators of everything we experience and the only thing, that can be realy changed is the world inside our heads. If we change inside, the world outside will follow.
This is by the way the reason, why the world cant be changed by military force, because the world is exactly a mirror of whats inside the peoples heads. And the only way to change whats inside the minds of others is, to become a good example for others to follow. Whats inside the minds of others can not be changed from outside, only by the owner of the mind himself.

[LightsabeR]

I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get into philosophy at the moment :P . I understand what you are saying but sadly I can not agree. Maybe I'll elaborate tomorrow.

[Revolvermann]

I couldn't agree anymore with you.

Doesn't work for me in anyway though. Having cancer really there is no way to be like "Well it's only cancer at least I'm not as bad as that cancer patient." Some things in life you have to worry about and not focus on other things. I understand the whole concept but to me it's just a crock of shit. Good for all the people who can apply this theory to their lives.

I would have a very bad time, if I get cancer, but there are other people in the world who wont, simply because, they are not afraid to die or they are at least not afraid of cancer.
There is no thing in life you realy have to worry about, you can, if you decide to, but you dont have to.

[Revolvermann]

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[ThumpR]

The world, you experience, is always a mirror of the world inside you, a mirror of your believes about whats true and whats untrue. You will rightfully ask, how can that be?
Because there is no other world, than the world inside your head. Let me explain.
Since the beginning philosophy had asked: What is it, that can not be doubt? Is there something, we can be absolutely sure of, something that is exactly the way we think it is?
Everything we call real / reality is nothing but an interpretation of the very very limited information about the world we get from our senses through looking, hearing etc.
A beam of light goes through our eyes to our brain and then in some miraculous process a image gets created and we see it in our mind. But there is no way for us to be sure, that this image what we see or this sound we hear in our head shows us whats realy around us. We can not directly experience anything outside of our mind. So the entire world we call reality is nothing but an interpretation of our sense perceptions.
Its also possible, that there is nothing out there and everything is just a dream created by ourselfs.
So whats left we can be realy sure of?
The one thing we can be realy sure of is, that we are.
We can be sure of that we are a consciousness in which the dream can arise. We can not know what we are or who we are, we can only know that we are.
This is exactly what God said in the bible when Moses asked him who he is and God answered "I am who I am".
So, if everything, which is real, is our own mind, then we are the creators of everything we experience and the only thing, that can be realy changed is the world inside our heads. If we change inside, the world outside will follow.
This is by the way the reason, why the world cant be changed by military force, because the world is exactly a mirror of whats inside the peoples heads. And the only way to change whats inside the minds of others is, to become a good example for others to follow. Whats inside the minds of others can not be changed from outside, only by the owner of the mind himself.

Couldnt agree more, well put.