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DarkSageX
12-13-2005, 10:43 AM
Which SA is best for the PR for carnage? I was debating between mana up and crit bleed. Mana up gives me more mp to stun/double shot, hex etc whereas crit bleed allows me to dot an opponent. PR obviously have the lowest crit rate out of all the archers, so I was wondering if I could even feel the full effect of crit bleed? I personally prefer an overenchanted bop with qr, but I'm not rich enough for that.

Hahn
12-13-2005, 12:12 PM
I really dont see the use of crit bleed that much. 1. It doesn't land all that often, 2. PR's dont crit often, 3. Bleed doesn't do fast enough damage to make such a big difference imo. So i would go for Mana Up, more Mana never hurts :P

Nyo
12-13-2005, 12:31 PM
Max mp is pretty useless too.

DragonC
12-13-2005, 12:52 PM
Buy a Soul Bow imo. But if you dont wanna do that, then I would go with mana up SA.

Menzer
12-13-2005, 01:02 PM
Soul Bow is the only feasible option.

kc.
12-13-2005, 01:08 PM
light. carry more than 16 arrows.

oradii
12-13-2005, 01:16 PM
crit bleed, it does land and it does pretty decent dmg.

mana and light are lame

you want as much dmg output as you can get

kc.
12-13-2005, 03:35 PM
crit bleed for a pr is retarded, once you crit the fight is just about over. unless you're shooting someone in heavy armour, in which case you're a moron.

Nyo
12-13-2005, 04:14 PM
Spending the adena (or potential adena if you farm the crystal yourself) on Mana Up is equally stupid imo. Don't SA it at all unless you plan to keep it, in which case Crit Bleed has more resale value should you ever decide to upgrade. CB SA is desirable for people like me who plays a TK and doesn't wtfpwn anyone in just 1-3 crits. It takes a few.

Anyway don't both spending the adena on the SA. It's a waste, you could be putting the money into an overenchanted mdef set or even working toward a second carnage to overenchant or a soul bow. Even small amounts of adena add up if you don't just throw it away on trivial things.

<----spends lots of adena and SP on useless things

DarkSageX
12-13-2005, 07:19 PM
light is useless. you forget a grade weapons get pvp bonus when they have the SA. the crystal i get for free. im thinking mana up. soul bow is out of my league. 60% crafts dont like me. i dont like slow bows anyway. even with qr its a bad bow. mad damage, but speed > damage. if i could, id get a +8 bop qr or something. but again, thats out of my money league as well. i went to a siege and was killing so many people, that i ran out of mana lol. ill try mp up.

Asuran
12-15-2005, 09:23 AM
ManaUp is good for support classes, who want to do some damage, not just buff.
Crit.Bleed SA is good for other classes IMO. And as for crits... if PR have no BD buffs, it takes several crits to kill a mage, and even more for archers/heavy armor users.
Light SA might be good only for PR with "Glass Cannon" setup (+4Str +4Dex -8Con)

Cupid
12-15-2005, 10:13 PM
SR is probably a whole diff story...Is the crit bleed a 100% rate as long as u crit? Or is there still a slight chance the guy can resist it?

Curs3d
12-16-2005, 12:12 AM
30% chance landing after u crit

IcedOrka
12-16-2005, 07:37 AM
light is useless. you forget a grade weapons get pvp bonus when they have the SA. the crystal i get for free. im thinking mana up. soul bow is out of my league. 60% crafts dont like me. i dont like slow bows anyway. even with qr its a bad bow. mad damage, but speed > damage. if i could, id get a +8 bop qr or something. but again, thats out of my money league as well. i went to a siege and was killing so many people, that i ran out of mana lol. ill try mp up.

you will shoot the same amount of arrows in 1 minute with a Soul bow as you would with a BoP, you only have less time to kite.

DarkSageX
12-16-2005, 09:04 AM
you will shoot the same amount of arrows in 1 minute with a Soul bow as you would with a BoP, you only have less time to kite.

not to mention your stun shot and double shot recharge a hell of a lot slower... if you are standing in one place, then a slow bow is perfect for you. but im always on the move. i kite and i rely on fast stuns. fast bow > slow bow. as for the crit rate, the pr has a low crit rate already. then 30% chance to land, assuming they dont resist it. id rather have more mp to stun/hex/ice.

_Chainer
12-16-2005, 09:24 AM
Cargnave has no worthwhile SAs imho =/

CaptainChaos
12-16-2005, 03:24 PM
i think critbleed is decent for clanwar-situations vs. tankclasses, dunno.. of course MP helps with stunshots and light helps with carrying arrows/ss/cppots but hmmm id go critbleed on carnage

Jetta
12-16-2005, 11:16 PM
Both SAs suck. Not many people carry around emergency dressings anymore though..

cip
12-17-2005, 08:53 PM
The only reason to get an SA on carnage is the PVP bonus. I would get crit bleed. Yes it's not uber useful but more damage never hurts.

BLUNT420
12-17-2005, 09:00 PM
go with light, the extra cp bots help

limepro
12-17-2005, 10:27 PM
wait and get drakonik focus all the way

DarkSageX
12-18-2005, 09:05 AM
how much weight does light take off? i heard its not a lot :/

Edit: i dont think light will have a resale value at all. im going to try a crit bleed bow for a week, since i cant get my own carnage until my friend subclasses

Loker
12-19-2005, 01:56 PM
Mana up, think about sieges or long ass pvps. Nothing more dull than having no mana then.

Nyo
12-19-2005, 06:03 PM
Mana up, think about sieges or long ass pvps. Nothing more dull than having no mana then.

Regen rate is important for sieges, not max MP unless u sit there & wait for an hour until you get into a 10 minute scrap. O_o

Loker
12-20-2005, 05:10 AM
The more mana you have the longer it takes before it ends, the longer you can regen mana before you sit. Think about that.