OL / WC which is best ?

[Overlord]

what are the pros and cons for OL / WC ?

are they the same in PVP ?

and is OL really that hard to lvl ?

[Vlahd]

Yes

[Kasper]

overlord has focus on Area of Effect seals/DoTs as well as ally buffs
warcryers have single DoTs which do more damage but only to one person. they also have awsome party buffs and get groups easier.

overlorrds are a LOT harder to lvl

[DemonWolf]

If u wanna be a serious assist and DD then u go OL.
WC are more of buffers with self defense techs.


A OL is more of a DD then a WC.
A WC cant defeat a OL in a 1v1, if that means anything to u.

OL is hard to lvl even tho i have a 60+ OL it wasnt easy. WC lvls due to the buff quality since they get party buffs.

[Angeling]

WC = fast lvler, and most wanted in parties good in pvp but cant crowd control as good as an OL, although they can beat the shit out of most classes.
OL = slow lvler, more AOE user then a WC which means good in crowd control, better in 1vs1 situation bc they get mdef selfbuff, less wanted in parties, but mostly wanted in a clan which means you are dependable on your clan how fast you will lvl, solo would be a pain in the ass bc you dont get haste or focus or DW or VR

[Aumaan]

WC = fast lvler, and most wanted in parties good in pvp but cant crowd control as good as an OL, although they can beat the shit out of most classes.
OL = slow lvler, more AOE user then a WC which means good in crowd control, better in 1vs1 situation bc they get mdef selfbuff, less wanted in parties, but mostly wanted in a clan which means you are dependable on your clan how fast you will lvl, solo would be a pain in the ass bc you dont get haste or focus or DW or VR


PDEF toggle, and for 1 v1 it depends on what class but both for the most party rip apart most classes.

[Overlord]

thanks for all the interesting posts.

what ways can a Ol solo if he has buffers, and what setup would he use if he was included in clan partys ? duals ? focus dagger ?

also how effective is soulgaurd/soulcry at higher lvls ?

is wc and Ol drains the same strenth ?

and how strong is the WC dot ?


any replys appreciated :)

[GordonGreedstein]

Simple, do you want to play a buffer or a healer?

WC = Buffer (gives parties basic and advawesome buffs)
OL = Healer (gives parties basic heals CP)

WC levels way faster because it's satisfies one of the core requirements for a good 9 person group (buffer, healer, sws, bd). OL doesnt (if you have a OL, you still need those 4 things).

While WC fits into a party as a buffer, OL fits into party in a DD spot, and because it's inferior to other DDs in that role it can be hard to get groups.

It makes up for this with healing, cp healing and crowd control abilities, and fits in well with both physical and mage groups (because OL has Acumen and Berzerk).

OL is most effective at close range (seals, and heals). WC has some more useful ranged attacks (2 HP dots, 1 MP dot).

Other interesting note is that OL is much better defensively (soulguard) but is a prime target for attack, so that's kinda a wash.

Very fun and challenging class to play, but I really only recommend it if you can 2 box a buffer or healer out of party to help you make groups.

[Overlord]

awesome reply , ty

im wondering whatsetup i could use to give me the best possible damage output, seeing as i will mostly be a DD

i first thought BW heavy, crit duals, or a focus kris any ideas ?

[Kaax]

well I have a High 60's OL which is currently more or less set up for damage output however its pretty bad for pvp.

+4str -4 con BW hvy, and +6 tsu*sls duals.

Fully buffed with dances I have around 950 patck and with soulcry which while in DD mode I use very often its around 1200 patck, and the crit rate is pretty decent. however you can only carry 3-4 hours worth of ss which sux. and still even with outside buffs can't really solo very effeciently. however in a duo with a BD its not bad and we have fairly decent damage output same as with full parties.

[Aumaan]

It really depends if you wan tot be a PvP DD or a PvE DD build.

If you want a PvE DD bild do as the above +4 str and a +str armor (BW / majestic / talum w/e) and focus dagger or 1h sword (I reccomend it over duals because with soul cry you get more out of a faster swinging weapon as it gives a FIXED p atk. This works well for WC or OL if you wan tto be a Melee D role for solo or if your OL for parties however it is quite bad for pvp... actually very bad for pvp.

If you want to be a PvP DD MP use for drains and spells isn't an issue , go with cast speed robes for PvP (Avadon / DC / Talum) and get an acumen weapon. I personally use +5 wit / +4 con setup and it is working nicely for myself. If you are a WC in pvp its usually ----> freezign Flame ---> venom if you aren't at 900 range, and then drain drain drain dead move to next guy. DPS with acumen weapon is quite high as it is with all mages. If you play OL its more tricky , if they know your an OL you will be targetted. and also depends on what style you play... if you are the aggressive type you run into the front lines get into the mix and BAM lay down those sick debuffs... if you play teh defensive role you can sit in the back keep up teh CP alliance heals and target cp heals and drain people who want to give you a wack.

The prob with this set up is its nto very PvE friendlyu.... ;/

[Kasper]

if your going to be a melee overlord you are not taking advantage of overlords skills

you want to have a mage setup really once you get beyond 60, like zubei robs and OE homu w/ acumen. this will be fast casting speed and insuring that your debuffs actually land. you want to survive in pvp and have enough mana for debuffs and cp heals.

[The_One]

Well, your name IS overlord.... Still, people like buffs, I like buffs, maybe WC ^^

OL has buffs but you need a good clan/ally.

[Devience]

well I have a High 60's OL which is currently more or less set up for damage output however its pretty bad for pvp.


Umm how about drop that class now since you seem to have 0 idea about what your doing.

[The_One]

Overlord, bad, and pvp really dont go together in the same sentance.

Overlord+pvp = good

overlord = good

pvp= good

overlord pvp bad = bad, shut the fuck up.

[Aumaan]

I agree that caster type is best for PvP however zubei = bleh CAST SPEED FOR TEH WIN

[GordonGreedstein]

I disagree with the mage setup 100%. Go with Heavy armor, focus Kris or focus Duels.

In 99% of parties, the BD and SWS are doing songs/dances that amplify melee damage. You'll have way higher DPS while xping using BW heavy and a focus kris or focus duels than using your seals. For PVE, seals is for killing mobs with AOE, or for handling overpulling (or in groups where u intentionally overpull to kill faster).

For mass pvp, you have a huge freakin bullseye on your head and that heavy armor make you really hard to take down. Even with soulguard, when you're fighting against fully buffed archers the extra defense makes a big difference. Your job is to do CP heals, Heart of Paagrio, and use seals if you can reasonably get into the middle of your enemies (often very difficult, and even then only effective when they don't outlevel you). So for mass pvp I prefer Doom Heavy, AOBA w/health, and a shield unless I can get into seal range and then I'll switch to robes/staff to land seals.

So basically, you need to level as fast as possible and going heavy armor + focus weapon is the fastest way to do that, unless you have regular access to AOE parties.

[Aumaan]

That is all opinion really, IMHO caster build is better for pvp as it gives you the option to nuke, put out your heals faster and even in robes soul guard give syou excelletn defense already.

[Kaax]

Umm how about drop that class now since you seem to have 0 idea about what your doing.

so you say I have no idea what I'm doing because... I'm using a + patck set-up so I can level becuase melee groups are the most readily available?


There a 50 zillion ways to play an OL just becuase the way I play isn't the way you play doesn't make me wrong or mean I'm clueless about my class.

[Aumaan]

so you say I have no idea what I'm doing because... I'm using a + patck set-up so I can level becuase melee groups are the most readily available?

please enlighten me oh all knowing one

pay no attention to him.

Melee rig orc mage is best for leveling there is no room for dispute however this build does not suit pvp so well ;/

[Kasper]

I disagree with the mage setup 100%. Go with Heavy armor, focus Kris or focus Duels.

In 99% of parties, the BD and SWS are doing songs/dances that amplify melee damage. You'll have way higher DPS while xping using BW heavy and a focus kris or focus duels than using your seals. For PVE, seals is for killing mobs with AOE, or for handling overpulling (or in groups where u intentionally overpull to kill faster).

For mass pvp, you have a huge freakin bullseye on your head and that heavy armor make you really hard to take down. Even with soulguard, when you're fighting against fully buffed archers the extra defense makes a big difference. Your job is to do CP heals, Heart of Paagrio, and use seals if you can reasonably get into the middle of your enemies (often very difficult, and even then only effective when they don't outlevel you). So for mass pvp I prefer Doom Heavy, AOBA w/health, and a shield unless I can get into seal range and then I'll switch to robes/staff to land seals.

So basically, you need to level as fast as possible and going heavy armor + focus weapon is the fastest way to do that, unless you have regular access to AOE parties.


AoE parties are pretty easy to setup

Me: LF AoE casters/healers/poles
Random Sorc/SpS/SH: hey i'll group lets find a healer
Me: Ok, !AoE Group LF Healer and maybe 1 more caster/pole
Random Healer: AoE groups are awsome lets go
Me: ok, ancient battle grounds? sure


if you get to know a few aoe casters they will always be willing to do AoE, and you only need one to setup a party. plust a melee setup SUCKS BIG DONKEY BALLS for PvP

[_Chainer]

OL = best

WC = easiest to level and more wanted in parties

[GordonGreedstein]

That is all opinion really, IMHO caster build is better for pvp as it gives you the option to nuke, put out your heals faster and even in robes soul guard give syou excelletn defense already.

1v1? Ok. 9v9, no way.

In mass pvp, you will still get crit for 1000+ through robes even with soulguard on. In heavy maybe you take ~400 or so on big crits. In seiges, your mp will run out if u keep it on, and if it's not on when you start taking hits in robes you'll drop before u can even use it.

So you gotta have both and know how and when to use both, but I prefer heavy 80% of the time, and that includes all PvE except AOE parties, especially since at high levels the seals land even without robes and it only takes 1-2 seals tops to control a huge pull.

[Overlord]

i have seen quite a few people comment on how OL need robes (zubei/demon) on to land seals, do Ol get low matk ? and are selas hard to land ?

[Aumaan]

you need them for lower levels but at higher elvels they land just fine hence why I said Cast speed robes ;)

its really down to how you ant to play your char... I play My WC and when my bro was on his Ol he played the same sytle .. the offensiev type which in that case the robes are superior. IF you are getting crit for 1k + it is because you are not using a shield.. with EE shield buffs and DC and my shield I never aee 1k + crits on me and I dont have soul guard its really a matter of perfecting your char use... OL is more difficult ot use in mass pvp though... I'd suggest having both but for myself 99.99% of the time I am in robes as I Like to assist nuke and dot o see my enemies fall .. ever since I amde the switch I have never looked back