Are Healers Overrated??

[Kandyman]

Does anyone else think that in pve healers are a lil overrated??

I dont think ANY class is required to hunt in a party, most people will argue that a BD is a requirement, even tho I rarely hunt without one, Id take a sws and a summoner in its place.

I make heavy melee parties alot of times, and a healer is more of a luxury not a necessity, VR and dance of VR combined is greater than a healer for melee parties.

Sometimes i get bored with the traditional 9 man overkill parties and make, what i call "suicide parties" typically there is no healer, and if you die your upo shyts creek lol. and I have had alot of succes in TOI floor 7-9 with no healer, it is a little slower at times, and definately requires more focus, but is alot funner than closing your eyes and right clicking for 3 hrs. also we tries a no healer party by the heart of the lair, camped a room, it was pretty fun, and intense. Its pretty risky and you definately have to know how each mobs AI works. I am an "against the grain" tyoe player, I play the game for fun and usually can give 2 shyts if i die, but the question is, does anyone else hunt without healers from time to time, or what are your crazyiest parties that peeps would label "unorthadox"?

[Sorrus]

healers cant lvl without party ... u want high lvl healers for raids/pvp ... this = party ur healers ^^

[Sylvart]

Yes, that's the whole problem. Healers cannot level without party at all, but many people prefer to solo their nuker or archer with clan hall buffs, or have a out of party buff bot. But when people do raids, they want a high level recharger or healer and wonder where they are. It is quite annoying. "Manned" healers/buffers are not necessary for others except in very few xp areas. Sometimes it sucks to have a healer as a main :(

[Vent]

yeah I always wondered why we needed healers when VR came into place. Really I don't think VR ever should of been put into the game, or it should be put in as a lvl 76+ buff. But since Warcriers came to get it, it seems all you need is WC/BD/SWS/dagger to hunt nonstop in full rooms in DN. I've done it many times, great exp. I wouldn't mind doing prophet/bd/sws/SE/dagger as long as the SE attacked as well. SE's don't need to sit down while VR is active, they can be fighting too with light armor.

[Sylvart]

I wouldn't mind doing prophet/bd/sws/SE/dagger as long as the SE attacked as well. SE's don't need to sit down while VR is active, they can be fighting too with light armor.

The problem with that is that you would need two different sets of equipment. One robe set plus conversion or acumen weapon, and one set of light armor plus a "damage" weapon like tsu*sls duals. That's a whole lot of money just to be able to get into parties and still be able to do your job when you get into a nuker party or when your clan needs you for raids. Especially when you also have a subclass which needs weapon/armor.

It's a bit sad when you sometimes get the feeling that people just party you out of pity.

[targic]

healers can level without parties, they just need a 2 box SE like any other nukers

[Nya]

I see SE 2boxing SE and lvl really fast:)

Soloing healers have no problem with heals and beeing alive, but with dps. Very low dps = very low xp. And if I find good spot for me to solo, its full of nukers and archers.

[ber]

we used to exp without healer in DN, was pretty good
but i never make ptys without healer to toi coz of para lol
i have no idea about healers solo, but think its more worse than exp in pty correct me if im wrong o,o

[Bloodash]

at 72 I waste 25 ASS with a top A melee weapon on a darkblue 2x mob in GC fully buffed, that pretty much shows how fast healers level solo.

[Daranduil]

This is my first post at l2guru, all I wanted to say about this is ROLF.

Kandyman, can't belive you're saying this, if you think that healers are not necesary for party, just go with that. But I think the party will be more equilibrated with one, I've played 3 and 4ppl pt on DN necro too, I know what you mean that with VR you don't really need a healer, and I will answer with that with some words that 7silverdragons says to me:

"Our healer is full of mp, let's make him use some mp pulling all room".

You won't get bored, will be a fun party and you will win lot of xp.

-- The overrated Elven Elder

[Kandyman]

well, I started this topic, because this is about the only one that is not a flame topic lol. id rather debate points, than argue over who bots and ebays, and whos cooler than who, which a majority of the topics are, so i guess im tryng to steal the forums back lol. but yes i agree that healers need party, and i party healers, i just dont rely on them in most sitautions. and yes, most my clannies call me crazy, but i think im losing a lil interest in the game sometimes, and try to aim at having fun over mass xp.

[Bloodash]

I think they tried boosting the uses of healers a bit more, making the newest area's much tougher. but I agree, most 9 man parties in toi and disciples are very easy if you have a good party. I'm telling you, VR is a lazy healers buff :p

Try and skip VR in those non healer parties and see how long you last >=D

[Daranduil]

It's ok Kandyman, I didn't want to flame, sorry If my post looked like that.

I agree too that most 9 party at ToI/disc is easy/boring. And I'm sure that for example toi 10 without healer can be done perfectly without any danger, just with VR 3 or 4. I think the 4s good room can be done without healer, but try to go there without porting and without healer.

Depending on the zone you will need more nukers or more melee, or more archers or 0/1/2 healers.

[Kandyman]

sometimes when im in a party and there is a real tank, i have tried skipping vr, simply because with a destroyer low hp is a good thing, but without vr its amazing how fast a few mobs can drop your hp. Yeah the high end areas are nuts, and you definately need a full party with healer in most of the areas, i think that the server needs to "grow" a lil more in gear and xp, before they become popular hunting spots (IT and FOG).

[Vent]

The problem with that is that you would need two different sets of equipment. One robe set plus conversion or acumen weapon, and one set of light armor plus a "damage" weapon like tsu*sls duals. That's a whole lot of money just to be able to get into parties and still be able to do your job when you get into a nuker party or when your clan needs you for raids. Especially when you also have a subclass which needs weapon/armor.

It's a bit sad when you sometimes get the feeling that people just party you out of pity.

Healers use the least in soulshots/sps usually out of everyone in the party. They also don't contribute any shots when duoing with a nuker. Thats why I solo my Necromancer, if a SE was willing to supply lets say half the shots, I'd spam Death spike with one. But as I see now SE's are all rich, why can't they afford 2 sets? Just get BW light and BW robes, share the helmet. Or get DC light and DC robes and share the helmet there.

If your concerned about weapon/armor for your sub then sub something that uses the same kind of armor. Buy c grade PL/Demon/FP set depending on class. Then get avadon/doom/bw/zubei when you hit 61 and sell it when you hit 61 and use your main classes items. Or go so far as say "hey, my main class uses DC Light, so when I hit 61 I will use DC robes and share the helmet.

So many ways you can afford to play your sub :)

[Kandyman]

Focus on making money like most people focus on earning xp, and youll find that adena is very easy to obtain, ive only earned a lvl and a half in c4, but i have made enough money to totally deck my characters out. gear > lvl, adena > xp IMO

[may]

hmm interesting perspective.

I have to ask though arent wc/ol/prophets/bishops/ee/se all classified as healer classes though we know that some are more buffers then actual healers.

if u mean out of party healer/buffer u still need to take them along for vr at least, and i guess haste and those crit buffs are nice to have and that para will really suck in the high level areas without one.

I dont think u can say you dont need a healer, what u probably mean is that u dont want to have a played healer in your group because they will "leech and not spam enough bsps"

for all your dd type players that say they should solo to go xp u clearly havent played a healer. no matter what set up the healer has the killing is slow for the simple reason that the str really sucks, and usually is even worse because they have a -4str tatoo so they have more dex and or con (with this last i'm talking about the bishop, ee and se i've played those i'm not sure about the ol/wc or pp)

but because people have this view i rerolled my healer cuz it would take hours to get a group and they only wanted me if they neede a rez and didnt wanna buy a b rez.

and now groups wait becasue they arent enough played healers when going into high risk areas not to mention the war tags that roll on by

(wow long post sorry)

[Shatei]

I don't know much about healers in PVE, but I do know that healers make or break PVP.

[dontbanme]

Shatei pvp godz

[Shatei]

I am the PVP Jesus.

[dontbanme]

Shatei is the way to heaven all hail teh son of pvp godz

[Kandyman]

hmm interesting perspective.

I have to ask though arent wc/ol/prophets/bishops/ee/se all classified as healer classes though we know that some are more buffers then actual healers.

if u mean out of party healer/buffer u still need to take them along for vr at least, and i guess haste and those crit buffs are nice to have and that para will really suck in the high level areas without one.

I dont think u can say you dont need a healer, what u probably mean is that u dont want to have a played healer in your group because they will "leech and not spam enough bsps"

for all your dd type players that say they should solo to go xp u clearly havent played a healer. no matter what set up the healer has the killing is slow for the simple reason that the str really sucks, and usually is even worse because they have a -4str tatoo so they have more dex and or con (with this last i'm talking about the bishop, ee and se i've played those i'm not sure about the ol/wc or pp)

but because people have this view i rerolled my healer cuz it would take hours to get a group and they only wanted me if they neede a rez and didnt wanna buy a b rez.

and now groups wait becasue they arent enough played healers when going into high risk areas not to mention the war tags that roll on by

(wow long post sorry)

i was one of, if not the first non farmer/bot SE to 75, past lvl 52 solo-ing was abosolutely pointess, and yes healers need parties to lvl. but most my parties were either full parties or duos. the point is a healer is just 1 of many classes in L2, and when parties get smaller suited for easier hunting spots, a healer may not have a role in a particular party setup, as any otherclass may not, depending on the party set-up. i just got done with a discples party with 3 destroyers in it, all of us with very high con, since all the DD's are high con, and have tank like UD skills and frnzy, a healer was absolutly pointless, similiar to how a dstroyer would be pointless in a nuker party.

a suggestion for some healers is maybe try some different setups, to create a little more versatility for yourself. small parties generally look for damage contribution from each character, maybe have your traditional weapn, amd start work on a more damag oriented weapon. On my SE i ended up going the dagger route, because we alsways had a sws around. in a small party i was able to contribute vs. the af-ing the tank, then the unneccesary root, then the unnecessary heal. which, unfortunately for healers in some spots, is becoming a reality.

[Tokara]

I <3 healers in any kinda of party (except the high lvl ones that steal questies in imperial tomb :om_swt: :of_mad: )

Even if they arn't healing all the time, they can save people from death