wow

[Waffen]

Ok, the only fun thing to do was bet at the race track. I never ever lost at that race track. I had to make about an extra 1.5 million there. oO

[bateman]

I can criticize WoW as much as I want to. WoWs content is the suck and you can't really defend it. It's copied elements of several MMOs out there and really had nothing new to offer. At least with Lineage 2 there is sever politics and genuinely novel concepts introduced by game desginers.

Lineage 2

Glowing Weapons? WoW and EQ?

Zone in Text? WoW and EQ

None Stop Grinding? EQ

Experience Punishment? Most MMOs.

I could go on but I won't.

I was speaking more towards the PvP system and Seven signs, but you went ahead and pointed out superficial similarities and stand MMO practices.

[Waffen]

The Seven Sign's Moons are a huge ass rip off from Lord of the Rings. Remember Saurons Eye? Yeah.

PvP doesn't really matter. How much more different can you be?

[bateman]

The Seven Sign's Moons are a huge ass rip off from Lord of the Rings. Remember Saurons Eye? Yeah.

PvP doesn't really matter. How much more different can you be?

Do you not understand the definition of superficial?

The PvP system makes a huge difference, WoW's sucks and L2's is good.

Anyone who thinks WoW has variety hasn't leveled a character to 60. All you do in that game is farm the same instances over and over, and the characters will all look the same because there is just one armor to choose from.

I get the impression you're new to WoW.

[Guarin]

The Seven Sign's Moons are a huge ass rip off from Lord of the Rings. Remember Saurons Eye? Yeah.

PvP doesn't really matter. How much more different can you be?
hahahahaha u think Lord of the rings was the first ever to use that?
there have been tons of movies with that, its standard fantasy shit

[nightphoenix]

I can criticize WoW as much as I want to. WoWs content is the suck and you can't really defend it. It's copied elements of several MMOs out there and really had nothing new to offer. At least with Lineage 2 there is sever politics and genuinely novel concepts introduced by game desginers.

You're kidding right? Server politics have existed for years before L2. Siege warfare etc has existed for years. There's nothing novel about L2 really at all.

Of course you're free to criticize whatever you want, just as it's your right to be totally wrong if you want. But fact is, wether or not you personally like WoW, it has many, many, many times the content and variety of content that L2 has.

Anyone who thinks WoW has variety hasn't leveled a character to 60. All you do in that game is farm the same instances over and over, and the characters will all look the same because there is just one armor to choose from.


Somehow I get the impression that you haven't played to 60 in WoW either, because that's simply not the case. Out of the dozen level 60 priests we have in guild, no two of us look alike for example, and Alterac is the best PvP experience I've seen since the old original UO days.


But, a Lineage 2 player claiming something like "All you do in that game is farm the same instances over and over" is the epitomy of irony, cause that's all there is to do in L2, is kill the same mobs over. and over. and over. and over.

2 months later, still killing the same mobs. over. and over. and over. Hence why so many level 70-75 people have been quitting.

[cip]

I can criticize WoW as much as I want to. WoWs content is the suck and you can't really defend it. It's copied elements of several MMOs out there and really had nothing new to offer. At least with Lineage 2 there is sever politics and genuinely novel concepts introduced by game desginers.

Sorry to burst your bubble there is nothing novel about L2 "content". And as far as boredom goes I spent 3 month on 12th floor TOI grinding in c2. That shit will make your eyes bleed after a while.

[Ravnic]

Yeah wow is a pretty neat game, but like everyones said sure as hell aint no L2.
L2 fer life! 8)

[Hyakku]

The Seven Sign's Moons are a huge ass rip off from Lord of the Rings. Remember Saurons Eye? Yeah.

PvP doesn't really matter. How much more different can you be?

Do you not understand the definition of superficial?

The PvP system makes a huge difference, WoW's sucks and L2's is good.

Anyone who thinks WoW has variety hasn't leveled a character to 60. All you do in that game is farm the same instances over and over, and the characters will all look the same because there is just one armor to choose from.

I get the impression you're new to WoW.

Of course, because I haven't played long periods of time on other friends 60's or traded and tried. But eventually i just went back to my war <3 (more fun leveling than having a 60 you didnt work at all for), but before i went back to war, I have had I believe every class except warlocks. Hunters, Mages, Shamans (they aren't as overpowered as I thought BTW), Paladins, Warrior <3, Rogue of course cuz everyone has that, and druid, and believe me, they ALL play differently. There is just one armor to choose from? LOL. Come on, you play L2, Bronze set -----> Banana suit/manti/brig------>Theca/drake/fp/and i forgot what my SH wore its been a while. Its white and green whatever they call it -----> Bluewolf----->A grade. One class has a totel of about.....6 CHOICES OF ARMOR. WOAH, back up with alll that variety, we're about to dull for that. :roll:

[Andy]

WoW has content? Tell that to the people who've been doing the same instances for the last 7 months.

WoW is casual cheese.

Yeah, I guess all that content in ToI and DVC just blows away the questing and instances in WoW.

/target mob
/kill mob
/pickup adena
/repeat 10,000 times to get from level 74->75 if you get .01% per kill
/PvP, lose 3% per death, repeat first two steps of macro 300 times per death.
/Fight over a castle once every two weeks (if people sign up and can make it) die lots, kill lots, generally enjoy a pretty sweet aspect of the game.
/Siege ends, go to ToI 12th floor, /target /kill the same mobs for the next two weeks until it's Siege time again if you are lucky enough to own a castle or be in a clan seiging a castle.
/Create a subclass, level from 40-75 again (Approx 70,000 mobs at .05% per mob for every level you hunt). Kill another 70,000 monsters and level up your second subclass to 75. Kill your final 70,000 mobs and get your third subclass to 75.

That sure is some well thought out end game content, grind the last 35 levels another three times.

You want to talk about politics? Check the boards, that's generally just flaming, people being arrogant wankers and others flexing their e-penis by not allowing people to hunt in certain area's and pk'ing them.

My E-penis is much bigger than yours
You can't hunt on ToI's 12 floors

And that's about as much SOAD as I wish to parody. Listen to Cigaro if you basically want a pretty accurate summation of 'Politics' in L2.

Oh, and to the person who said they fell asleep playing WoW, they mustn't be used to having to actually pay attention to a game after playing L2 where you can macro /assist, kill and press that button for 280,000 kills while you realise your end game content. You can't deny this, the amount of prophets that say they just buff, watch TV for 20 minutes, buff, watch TV for 20 minutes is amazing.

[Andy]

The Seven Sign's Moons are a huge ass rip off from Lord of the Rings. Remember Saurons Eye? Yeah.

PvP doesn't really matter. How much more different can you be?

Do you not understand the definition of superficial?

The PvP system makes a huge difference, WoW's sucks and L2's is good.

Anyone who thinks WoW has variety hasn't leveled a character to 60. All you do in that game is farm the same instances over and over, and the characters will all look the same because there is just one armor to choose from.

I get the impression you're new to WoW.

Like pointed out before.
1-20 Bronze/Devotion
20-40 Brig/Manti/Mithril/Possibly Knowledge but unlikely)
40-52 Full plate/Divine/Demon/Theca/Drake
52+ Blue wolf for DD, Doom for tanks, Avadon for Casters.

Please tell us how the typical DA with Doom set, AoBA with health and full BO Jewels is any different to the next DA. The only possible exception is a DMG instead of AOBA.

You must secretly love WoW because everything you criticise it for is a lot more apparent in Lineage 2 and it's your jealousy clouding your thoughts. Either that or grinding to level 75 three times in L2 has made your eyes bleed and your brain turn to mush so you can't read and write as well as you could before you spent 10 hours a day 7 days a week (more on weekends) for three whole months playing L2 (in good groups) to get from 40-70 in C1 like some guy posted on the orphus boards.

[helot]

Look what you started Oranj :(

[megalomaniac]

hoh, that happens when you try to compare WoW to L2 - the games are quite different (different as in "L2 sucks, unlike WoW" for me)

but I like that first quote (The most ignorant people are the ones with the most opinions) in your sig

[raventheone]

Both games suck.
DDR FTW!!

[qwerty]

Both games suck.
DDR FTW!!

DDR got boring, it's just the same 4 directional pads over and over!!!!!!

[Cycon]

You guys are complete fucking idiots for arguing about this. All of you need to just sit down and realize that it's a personal preference...Some people will like WoW and others will like L2. A game is never really bad(unless its just plain boring). It's all opinions. IMO WoW and L2 are both great games. Your opinion might be different but it doesn't matter...

[shadedtears]

/sign

[Joe]

You guys are complete fucking idiots for arguing about this. All of you need to just sit down and realize that it's a personal preference...Some people will like WoW and others will like L2. A game is never really bad(unless its just plain boring). It's all opinions. IMO WoW and L2 are both great games. Your opinion might be different but it doesn't matter...

Agreed..

[Kumori]

WoW and L2 are both great....but after playing 2 characters to 60 and 1 to 40 in WoW and dealing with stale pvp and pve i dropped wow to start over in L2, its just alot more fun to play imo :shock:

[Dushiento]

uhh whoever said wow has most subscribers you are wrong... it might have mroe in america and europe but lineage 1 is the mmo with the most subscribers in mmo history. Not to mention if you counted all the people from lineage 2 private servers youd prolly have a lot more people that play l2 than wow. I mean l2x alone has over 150k...

[Dexstar]

WoW is fun until you hit 60, then the game is completely and utterly stale.

[nightphoenix]

uhh whoever said wow has most subscribers you are wrong... it might have mroe in america and europe but lineage 1 is the mmo with the most subscribers in mmo history. Not to mention if you counted all the people from lineage 2 private servers youd prolly have a lot more people that play l2 than wow. I mean l2x alone has over 150k...

WoW has over 4 million subscribers now. From the WoW page now -

World of Warcraft Surpasses One Million Customer Milestone in North America - Nebu on 8/29/05

Blizzard Entertainment®, Inc. today announced that World of Warcraft®, its subscription-based massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has reached more than one million paying customers in North America. This brings the total population for Blizzard's critically acclaimed game, the largest MMORPG in the world, to more than four million paying customers. You can read more by checking out this press release (http://www.blizzard.com/press/050829-wow.shtml).



So yes, that's pushing close to a million more than L1 ever had in it's history.

[NYPD]

L2 fufills a niche for a difficult game.

Even the haters cant deny that WOW is doing something right just by looking at their subscription numbers. The lack of customization, and losing hours of work or items due to death are what drive me insane about L2. I just might have to convert.

[Innocent]

all those ppl saying that high lvls aren't quitting are wrong, I played a lvl 74 sr on bartz and I quit. I've been having way more fun in WoW then I have ever had in L2.

If you like grinding WoW basically has the exact same grind except they actually put quests in which makes it look like the grind is much less. Instances are much better then L2 groups it is annoying when you go from room to room in L2 and see that they are either taken or filled with farmers and botters. I can tell you that there are lots of rooms in L2 that aren't even used anymore since NC screwed them over.

L2 NA will never be the game it could be. If NC had banned farmers and botters than the prices would be much lower and ebayers would be almost extinct and not neccesary. If people did not ebay so they could have good gear so they could level faster thus putting pressure on other people to level faster there would be much less complaining about ebaying and the grind.

Also, if the game still had tons of people then no one would be complaining about zergs. When the game had lots of people, everyone wanted bigger alliances. They made them 12 and now people complain about zergs. There is only a few choices of armor and weapons since everyone is supposed to look the same. The main theme of L2 was supposed to be huge mass pvp fights and the Unreal Engine of L2 was introduced to withstand that. Even the upgrade to 64 bit servers is supposed to support that theme. L2 would be the greatest game now if it had few ebayers, botters, farmers, and had a lot more players.

WoW has crazy pvp. No class in WoW is gimped in pvp. Archers don't own all like they do in L2. Warriors can be very good in pvp depending on the skill of the player. That is the key of WoW, the player needs to have skill to play unlike L2.

The thing that was most appealing of L2 was that there were no factions so people could pvp anyone and they could form clans with anyone. The second thing was castle seiges, castle seiges were great until they started being exploited which still happens today.

l2 was gms that can bearly speak english, the WoW gms are actually helpful and it can be fun to chat with.

WoW is a much better game in every single aspect than L2