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The bishop hardly had anything to set him apart from the SE. He had no buffs, but better heal rate. The SE had it all. This is a perfect balancing. The SE is a powerful buffer with moderate heals and a recharger. How can you say that class isn't balanced now?
Warsmiths are still underpowered :dwf_cry:
I'll say it again: There's no problem with that change for tyrants. Tyrants will now have three evasion/speed totems, two tanking/power totems, and two crit totems. With bufs, a tyrant right now has his totems reset in 40-50 seconds. Now, it'll be just over 2 minutes...the duration of the buf. Tyrants now have complete set of complementary totems now, so for those 10-30 seconds that their totem is down, they can use a different one.
They'll be fine.
OMG man, have you ever tried fitting more than one totem onto a bar? What with all my seeds and the raft of skills that I forget are useless and keep retrying, I'm lucky to be able to close my skills window. ;)
Leave us Tyrants alone or apply the same changes to BD Dances and Sws Songs. Let's see how long before every Sws starts crying when they can't continually use Wind.
Oh shit, I have a Sws as well.
Leave our songs alone you bastards!!
Oh shit, the missus has a BD.
Leave BD Dances alone you bastards!!
I am starting an official campaign to reverse the changes to Tyrant totems and not to apply the same "logic" to BD and Sws.
:om_mad:
Eh.
Another reason why Humans Knight != Elf Knights. I don't see where Imperial Crusader makes any sense at all for my TK.
Huh?
How can sleep resist + bleed resist + poison resist + root resist + 8% bonus pdef + 400ish hp NOT be good for any tank?
SoulGlo
04-27-2006, 05:45 PM
I'll say it again: There's no problem with that change for tyrants. Tyrants will now have three evasion/speed totems, two tanking/power totems, and two crit totems. With bufs, a tyrant right now has his totems reset in 40-50 seconds. Now, it'll be just over 2 minutes...the duration of the buf. Tyrants now have complete set of complementary totems now, so for those 10-30 seconds that their totem is down, they can use a different one.
They'll be fine.
It effects soloing big time. The change is more gimping the soloing ability of tyrants. Ogre spirit heal every 1 1/2 was godly for pve soloing. Tyrants have hard time getting groups, I know been one since OB, but I got a good clan that helped me throughout. In soloing usually if you have an SE, you would use puma and use ogre heal every 1min, because you will need it. Without and healer you could go probably non stop for a while with just using ogre and healing yourself every 1min for 1k+ hp. It will ruin the lowbie tyrants, many tyrants have to solo... and they have basically destroyed that if it stands.. and that is what makes it terrible.
I'll say it again: There's no problem with that change for tyrants. Tyrants will now have three evasion/speed totems, two tanking/power totems, and two crit totems. With bufs, a tyrant right now has his totems reset in 40-50 seconds. Now, it'll be just over 2 minutes...the duration of the buf. Tyrants now have complete set of complementary totems now, so for those 10-30 seconds that their totem is down, they can use a different one.
They'll be fine.
You're full of crap.....in case the other people who quoted that post didn't already drive it home. :P
I think the set bonus on imp crusader is awesome for my TK...but it looks so godawful that I have no intention of ever getting it. For that matter I don't even care to play my TK anymore. -.- Haven't leveled it since subbing. Wish your sub could compete for hero, I basically treat it as my new main.
Careryn
04-27-2006, 06:15 PM
OMG man, have you ever tried fitting more than one totem onto a bar? What with all my seeds and the raft of skills that I forget are useless and keep retrying, I'm lucky to be able to close my skills window. ;)
Leave us Tyrants alone or apply the same changes to BD Dances and Sws Songs. Let's see how long before every Sws starts crying when they can't continually use Wind.
Oh shit, I have a Sws as well.
Leave our songs alone you bastards!!
Oh shit, the missus has a BD.
Leave BD Dances alone you bastards!!
I am starting an official campaign to reverse the changes to Tyrant totems and not to apply the same "logic" to BD and Sws.
:om_mad:
Er... it would make no sense to apply the same logic to bd/sws... they are support classes not dds like a tyrant. Besides... we already have huge penalties just from working together with another bd/sws... not to mention that we've been nerfed in almost every chronicle to date >.>
Serinda Arnimane
04-27-2006, 06:44 PM
Huh?
How can sleep resist + bleed resist + poison resist + root resist + 8% bonus pdef + 400ish hp NOT be good for any tank?
To phrase it real shortly, it is my opinion that the Elf Knights need to focus on their Shield, not on their base P.Def.
If I didn't have Aegis though, I'd think differently.
but it looks so godawful that I have no intention of ever getting it.
Seems we agree on that at least, Nyo.
To phrase it real shortly, it is my opinion that the Elf Knights need to focus on their Shield, not on their base P.Def.
If I didn't have Aegis though, I'd think differently.
Even as a human knight, with my toggle and a shield blocking buf, I block nearly 100%. Guard fortress increases block chance and power as well as pdef, so you shouldn't miss at all. Combined with the EE's top shield block, you don't really need a doom set to shield block perfectly anymore.
ClearBlueWater
04-27-2006, 09:35 PM
Huh?
How can sleep resist + bleed resist + poison resist + root resist + 8% bonus pdef + 400ish hp NOT be good for any tank?
yeah and DO NOT CRY about the -2DEX, it makes sense for a human tank with a fucking HEAVY armor to run slower than a light armor or robe class..
NC is gay, when c4 came out SK/tk gets stun lvl 77, then the DA's and pally's get physical silence crap...and now the
Arrest - Temple Knight, Shilien Knight, Swordsinger, Bladedancer - lvl55
Taunts and puts the enemy in a state of hold for a brief moment. Cannot be recasted while the the hold state is in effect. Shackle - Paladin, Dark Avenger - lvl55
Taunts and puts the enemy in a state of hold for a brief moment. Cannot be recasted while the the hold state is in effect.
Foodstamp
04-28-2006, 02:38 AM
NC is gay, when c4 came out SK/tk gets stun lvl 77, then the DA's and pally's get physical silence crap...and now the
Arrest - Temple Knight, Shilien Knight, Swordsinger, Bladedancer - lvl55
Taunts and puts the enemy in a state of hold for a brief moment. Cannot be recasted while the the hold state is in effect. Shackle - Paladin, Dark Avenger - lvl55
Taunts and puts the enemy in a state of hold for a brief moment. Cannot be recasted while the the hold state is in effect.
Yes, cause there are so many 77+ tanks just running around all the servers :hf_happy:
Manaburn is a very lame skill...
"Oh look there that sorc is killing 3 doom knights wait wait... *Manaburn*"
/pick up drops
Hey look, someone killing mobs, let's shield stun him. OH WAIT, I CAN'T BECAUSE HE ISN'T FLAGGED!
That's ringing a bell? Mana Burn will mostlikely be a skill that only works on flagged people (and in sieges), so it can't be used for griefing.
Isabel2002
04-28-2006, 09:24 AM
You don't need target to be flagged. You just need a 2-way war whit the target. :)
You don't need target to be flagged. You just need a 2-way war whit the target. :)
If it's in a war, you're 'allowed' to grief. Might aswell go like "OMG SHIELD STUN IS SO LAME, BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE IS HUNTING AND HE GETS SHIELD STUNNED HE'S LIKE OMGWTFPWNED", same shit, different skill.
Yes, cause there are so many 77+ tanks just running around all the servers :hf_happy:
well yea maybe on bartz pve pros
# Clarity - Elder - 58
Decreases target's mp use for a short amount of time.
Woot! mages will love EEs in a group for once!
# Mana Burn - Bishop, Prophet, Elder, Shilien Elder - 56
Burns enemy's MP
by "burns enemy's MP" do they just mean uses it? or does it convert enemy mp into damage to hp? i can only hope >.<
kholdstare
04-28-2006, 09:36 PM
well yea maybe on bartz pve pros
if bartz has more high level tanks then other servers (im guessing your yet another loser from kain/sieghardt) its because people on bartz stuck with their tank classes rather then jump onto a FOTM class just beacuse it was "easier".
And explain to me what's "ghey" about the two new skills tanks get? I think their friggen awesome. your making little, if any, sense right now.
QQDmonus
04-28-2006, 10:17 PM
why cant other healers get loving without se's getting hate
/agree
if bartz has more high level tanks then other servers (im guessing your yet another loser from kain/sieghardt) its because people on bartz stuck with their tank classes rather then jump onto a FOTM class just beacuse it was "easier".
And explain to me what's "ghey" about the two new skills tanks get? I think their friggen awesome. your making little, if any, sense right now.
nah nah, my sk is the only class i have ever played on...soo dont be saying i lvl up a FOTM each chonicle...
theres nothing wrong with the new skills, i like them...but its weird how right when c4 sk/tks get stun and now da/pally gets physical silence to be able to stop the stun...anyways c5 they got that new skill, and now the pally/da gets it too...soo theres not much of a differencet between the 4 classes no more, becuase they got the almost the same or even better skills
The TK/SK stun isn't really anything like shield stun. O_o
Palanthas
04-29-2006, 01:22 PM
Can't wait for the PTS to come to NA
you'll have to, because it wont come until january.
Funny thing is, how the hell are mages gonna have time to burn away mp and such when nukers still will nuke for 1800+ damage per nuke?
Offencive mages are just going to kill healers first now. Piece of cake. Fighter classes wont stand a chance anyways.
8k hp , 1,4k+ m def <1,6k+ when i get watter> also we healers DONT need buffs like focus/dw and ect so we can get nice defensive buffs .
Mage killing healer is like nuking for 300-500 dmg thru 8k hp.
Isabel2002
04-29-2006, 06:33 PM
Isn't like that.
Maybe for necro vs ee is tho.
Einherjar
04-29-2006, 08:40 PM
by "burns enemy's MP" do they just mean uses it? or does it convert enemy mp into damage to hp? i can only hope >.<
it has a very high chance of landing, mental shld does not help you. it saps 100% mana from the target.
SEs will be what they should have been - offensive healers. they are even more popular on korean servers (PTS) so ppl saying they are dead is 100% crap.
SEs combo'd with a warlock can own necros easy, hell SEs report hunting necros solo (with duals or str spec with dagger) on kor PTS.
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