Totem Spirit Hawk

[Xeen]

Totem Spirit Hawk - Tyrant - 74
Player is bestowed with the spirit of the hawk. Increases critical power and rate when using fist weapons. Decreases p.def and m.def while skill is in effect.


Anyone know how much Crit this adds yet? and how much M.Def/P.Def you lose?

[Thraug]

Seeing that NC thinks Tyrants are overpowered, it's probably +15 crit, +2% crit damage and -25% pdef and -25% mdef.

With the way the game is now, and what it looks like in C5, any amount of mdef loss over 50 makes the totem worthless in PVP.

[SoulGlo]

Seeing that NC thinks Tyrants are overpowered, it's probably +15 crit, +2% crit damage and -25% pdef and -25% mdef.

With the way the game is now, and what it looks like in C5, any amount of mdef loss over 50 makes the totem worthless in PVP.


LOL I don't think so bro, that is just way to negative.

[tozim]

Pretty rough changes for tyrants next chronicle :/
They've always been an underappreciated class imo.
Stick with it guys things will get better :em_swt2:

[Glav]

These -pdef/ -evasion nerfs, the only thing that'll affect is their ability to fight rogue-like classes. They're still going to rip apart the tank-ey ones. Since they've been placed in the "warrior" category, that makes sense to me.

[Nyo]

These -pdef/ -evasion nerfs, the only thing that'll affect is their ability to fight rogue-like classes. They're still going to rip apart the tank-ey ones. Since they've been placed in the "warrior" category, that makes sense to me.
Tyrants seem more able to kill archers and mages (not always, hard to do it when both are fully buffed) than anything. Tanky classes are pretty situational, gladiators aren't too bad but whenever I fought a tyrant with my TK, the tyrants seemed to lose more than I did. It was because they lacked pdef (hooray for light armor) and lacked ...skill at playing their class...erm I mean lacked evasion. Yeah, that one.

For mages it just boils down to stun landed? Throw in the charge skills and you have a good chance to win. Stun didn't land? You're doooomed.

I'm not holding out much hope for the level 74 skill either, but it's a critical skill you can use from full HP. Too bad we don't use puma from the start for a reason....hello worse-than-a-nuker-pdef. Now with hawk, maybe we can have 600 mdef and 600 pdef in top A grade!!!

Imo, what tyrant needed the most was a +mdef totem that lowers hm...evasion and accuracy or something along those lines. Something we could use against nukers to greater effect.

[Xeen]

Yea, these changes are goin to take a little time to adjust too ... Out of ALL the class's to nerf.. Wa-Wa WHY the Tyrant?????!

[Dem]

Yea, these changes are goin to take a little time to adjust too ... Out of ALL the class's to nerf.. Wa-Wa WHY the Tyrant?????!

Coz we're green and far too cool.

:om_swt:

Besides which Xeen, what makes you think they will have fixed the lag by C5?

[Synerge]

Poor orcs. Tyrant in my clan wants to quit. :om_swt:

[Xeen]

Coz we're green and far too cool.

:om_swt:

Besides which Xeen, what makes you think they will have fixed the lag by C5?


Thats the truth man.. This lagg may not be fixed by then... Man, its not like people are complaining that "We lagg a little" Its soo bad "You can't PLAY" :om_mad:

[LogZ]

yea it sucks for tyrants. mages needed to be nerfed alot more then they did.

[Xan]

I just dont get why they are nerfing < and nerfing so hard> such underplayed class.
This is totaly idiotic.

[RaZieL]

I just dont get why they are nerfing < and nerfing so hard> such underplayed class.
This is totaly idiotic.

2nd that.......:om_swt: :om_swt: :om_swt: :om_swt:

[Azer]

2nd that.......:om_swt: :om_swt: :om_swt: :om_swt:

Third that... I just cannot say anything at the moment. :om_swt:
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Azer, 69 Tyrant, created the day the game came out.

[iuztrewq]

I think it's too early to really judge these nerfes, it's still a while till C5 goes live even in corea I think so there is plenty of time that these changes can be changed yet again.

Although I have to admit as it looks like now C5 is definately bad for Tyrants and the changes are pretty unjustified :(

[Chair]

These -pdef/ -evasion nerfs, the only thing that'll affect is their ability to fight rogue-like classes. They're still going to rip apart the tank-ey ones. Since they've been placed in the "warrior" category, that makes sense to me.


Glav, I'm going to be honest man. I don't not see how warriors>tanks. Warriors consist of destroyers, glads, dwarves, warlord and tyrant. Neither have enough power to substantially break through knights pdef... I could understand if they gave the warrior classes skills that could break through knights shield block etc. But judging by the skills being shown they remain basically the same as pre c5 along with nerfs. Honestly, BH vs DA? Who do you think would win? I already know the outcome so how warriors>knights?

[Xeen]

I still feel that the info is wrong..

Warriors > Knights CANT be right...

Warriors > Rouges Sounds more the way it should be

[Chair]

I still feel that the info is wrong..

Warriors > Knights CANT be right...

Warriors > Rouges Sounds more the way it should be

I can tell how knight>rogue is right because of how they can use hate and their new hate+root skills. That makes sense... but warrior>knight I just don't understand one bit. I don't care if the warrior classes have tons of hp/cp it just can't justify the little damage they will do knight classes. Knights with full buffs and EE shield buffs take very little damage. Skills like triple sonic slash do around 400dmg, maybe less. So unless their are more skills that we haven't seen that are given to warrior classes then I don't see how this balance will be possible.

[Diego Vargas]

I still feel that the info is wrong..

Warriors > Knights CANT be right...

Warriors > Rouges Sounds more the way it should be


I dont know how that can be true either considering they gave all the knights these root skills.

Root warrior -> run out of bow range and throw drains at the target .. repeat?

As a tyrant you cant even cripple and pull out a bow anymore and wear down the tank.

On the flip side I agree with some of the nerfs, alot of your totems were extremely good and had little or no downside and very fast reset. IIRC my tyrant friend told me he could cycle one of your totems almost like a self heal every few minutes. I know that during the C4 pts they had to nerf the L78 tyrant/glad skill because it was too overpowered with a tyrant and his/her totems. It used to be 20mp, now its 5mp and 50 hp. Tyrants were just attacking too fast, even now you can justcycle their hp back and forth.

Anyhow at least you got a new high level totem and some wierd fire buffs, my class only got a toggle stun/sleep resist that drains more of my mp. A toggle shared by every other warrior class for the most part. I already had lionheart .. this toggle isnt anything special.

[SoulGlo]

I dont know how that can be true either considering they gave all the knights these root skills.

Root warrior -> run out of bow range and throw drains at the target .. repeat?

As a tyrant you cant even cripple and pull out a bow anymore and wear down the tank.

On the flip side I agree with some of the nerfs, alot of your totems were extremely good and had little or no downside and very fast reset. IIRC my tyrant friend told me he could cycle one of your totems almost like a self heal every few minutes. I know that during the C4 pts they had to nerf the L78 tyrant/glad skill because it was too overpowered with a tyrant and his/her totems. It used to be 20mp, now its 5mp and 50 hp. Tyrants were just attacking too fast, even now you can justcycle their hp back and forth.

Anyhow at least you got a new high level totem and some wierd fire buffs, my class only got a toggle stun/sleep resist that drains more of my mp. A toggle shared by every other warrior class for the most part. I already had lionheart .. this toggle isnt anything special.

Well the problem is bear is extremely slow can't even really use it. They made it worthless now. And the self heal will still exist, but now it's gimped. I dunno if this going to stand as is. Pople who play the class will complain, if they complain enough then it's no way it will stand. I have no problem with the wolf spirit nerf. The timer reuse needs to be shorter though, perhaps it was a little overpowered before, but i highly doubt it. In light armor remember, totems have negatives except for wolf and they were fine. Tyrants still lose to classes and etc. odd how they would gimp this underplayed class. Mages and archers needed gimping not tyrants... see this

[Nyo]

I didn't really care that much about the bear nerf. I never used it anyway. But I did use wolf quite a bit - rabbit is not always available, you know? And wolf was usually enough to keep up with a lot of classes without totally gimping your patk. But now if I throw on wolf I'll just take more damage; if it's the same as the pdef nerf on puma it'll be quite a lot more damage.

Kind of funny how Diego switches gears from "I can pwn any tyrant" to "tyrant needed a nerf".

[Xeen]

I dont know how that can be true either considering they gave all the knights these root skills.

Root warrior -> run out of bow range and throw drains at the target .. repeat?

As a tyrant you cant even cripple and pull out a bow anymore and wear down the tank.

On the flip side I agree with some of the nerfs, alot of your totems were extremely good and had little or no downside and very fast reset. IIRC my tyrant friend told me he could cycle one of your totems almost like a self heal every few minutes. I know that during the C4 pts they had to nerf the L78 tyrant/glad skill because it was too overpowered with a tyrant and his/her totems. It used to be 20mp, now its 5mp and 50 hp. Tyrants were just attacking too fast, even now you can justcycle their hp back and forth.

Anyhow at least you got a new high level totem and some wierd fire buffs, my class only got a toggle stun/sleep resist that drains more of my mp. A toggle shared by every other warrior class for the most part. I already had lionheart .. this toggle isnt anything special.

I have to disagree with this... Tyrants have the lowest M.Def in the game.. Im lvl 76.. and nukers hit me for 1800+ and FAST.. Now my totems lower my M.Def even more.. Tyrants were NEVER overpowered, Ever...

So now what.. With my totem, i'll be taking 2500+ per shot? Even if i had 15,000 HP.. I would be 6 shotted.. And thats not including any Mage crits.

[Diego Vargas]

I didn't really care that much about the bear nerf. I never used it anyway. But I did use wolf quite a bit - rabbit is not always available, you know? And wolf was usually enough to keep up with a lot of classes without totally gimping your patk. But now if I throw on wolf I'll just take more damage; if it's the same as the pdef nerf on puma it'll be quite a lot more damage.

Kind of funny how Diego switches gears from "I can pwn any tyrant" to "tyrant needed a nerf".

Bzzt try again.

My ability to own has nothing todo with a general observation of where your class needed some toning down.

nice try.

[Diego Vargas]

I have to disagree with this... Tyrants have the lowest M.Def in the game.. Im lvl 76.. and nukers hit me for 1800+ and FAST.. Now my totems lower my M.Def even more.. Tyrants were NEVER overpowered, Ever...

So now what.. With my totem, i'll be taking 2500+ per shot? Even if i had 15,000 HP.. I would be 6 shotted.. And thats not including any Mage crits.


Lowest mdef ? dude are you serious .. Orcs have more Mentality then human warriors therefore you have higher mdef then us. Considering both of us have no mdef passives but you have higher MEN stat, you are incorrect in assuming you have the lowest mdef.

That pride is reserved for Humans alone.

[Chair]

Diego I never seen the tyrant class as overpowered......thats far from the truth. Only classes that are overpowered are mages/archers and it seems that trend will continue. Because this so called balance doesnt seem to change anything. Back on the subject, dwarves are warriors so warrriors>tanks. But they give us polearm accuracy to fight knights since they evade so much. Good thinking! I don't expect warriors to kill anyone in c5.