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everest
04-29-2006, 01:38 PM
Whit every new cronicle berseker spirit got more nerf...

C4: reduce m def
C5: reduce evasion
C6: ??? reduce max hp? what will be next!?!!? :dwf_cry: :hf_cry2:

Nyo
04-29-2006, 01:44 PM
c6 = reduce accuracy imo, anything that doesn't nerf a nuker fits though

Jetta
04-29-2006, 01:51 PM
>.> they changed one of the best PvE and PvP buffs for melees into Empower V2.0. Pisses me off. If I just have WW, I can barely chase down a SH with Zerk/WW.

kholdstare
04-29-2006, 01:54 PM
i fail to see how lowering your accuracy two or three points makes you useless against a mage while the 100ish m def you lost in C4 was acceptible. besides your special skills arent based off of your accuracy stat, so this doesnt effect daggers in any way.

sucks for archers though. oh wait, no, archers can still crit me for 1k damage throught my majestic heavy. nevermind

Glav
04-29-2006, 02:06 PM
Come C5, it won't reduce accuracy, it reduces evasion, yet another archer/dagger nerf. With all the new stuff they get, maybe that's not so bad...

Jetta
04-29-2006, 02:07 PM
Its evasion thats getting lowered and that hurts daggers alot. And is a 1k crit alot as a tank? :P Been getting hit for 1k + since C1 and I consider that weak damage.

kholdstare
04-29-2006, 02:14 PM
too expensive to keep Guard Stance on in sieges. without it my p def isnt all that great. deflect arrow helps....when i remember to use it.

i guess i kind of understand how lower evasion hurts, but against a nuker evasion is non existant anyway so your primary job of slipping through the chaos of battle to stab mages isn't effected.

Nyo
04-29-2006, 02:27 PM
If it works like it does on every other stat, it will be -8 evasion at level 2. Oh except matk, zerk actually raises matk by 16% instead of 8%. ^_^

If it lowered accuracy, it would probably be -8 accuracy too.

ev0
04-29-2006, 02:59 PM
so dumb, wtf...

Xan
04-29-2006, 03:30 PM
I bet in c5 or c6 they will make it reduce shield block rate.

MooMooCow
04-29-2006, 03:36 PM
Na, it'll most likely be - Acc, - Critical, and - attack speed.

Goldshlager
04-29-2006, 03:39 PM
then add in +magic crit rate and less chance to get interupted.

Glav
04-29-2006, 03:48 PM
Or an increased in spell interruption...that's about the same as low accuracy/evasion for nukers.

Max Damage
04-29-2006, 04:09 PM
I don't think zerk will decrease Accuracy. It's supposed to raise offencive stats and lower defencive stats. It should be like -evasion +accuracy...

Goldshlager
04-29-2006, 04:29 PM
Here is the thing. Mages wont care if they get -evasion cause they already evade damn near nothing. So when facing any class, -evasion will not hurt them one bit. Archers and dagger rely on evasion when facing non mage classes. In C4 zerk was only bad when facing a mage. Now in C5, zerk will be bad against mages and any other class that isnt magic.

No downfall for mages, another huge downfall for non-mages.

Max Damage
04-29-2006, 04:54 PM
Yeah, -evasion is a huge downfall for archer/dagger facing another non-zerked one. But zerked archer would also have an advantage if he had some +accuracy, thanks to zerk. This is how this skill should work.
It would be downfall and advantage in the same time in archer vs archer, and have no effect in archer vs mage. If it gave some extra accuracy...

Max Damage
04-29-2006, 05:23 PM
If they'll fix zerk to add some accuracy it wouldn't be such a crap for fighters. But it won't happen ><

Looks like you're right... Next step gonna be 'archer/daggery resist effect' probably ><

tozim
04-29-2006, 06:16 PM
Next will be MP regen rate++ to help against mana burn.

Nyo
04-29-2006, 07:13 PM
Don't see why a skill that makes you "berserk" should raise accuracy. It would definitely drop it. X_x I also don't see why a skill that makes you berserk would help a spellcaster who has to concentrate to cast their spells.

MooMooCow
04-29-2006, 07:46 PM
The funny part is, most of the downsides of Berserk don't affect mages at all. - Evasion? <_<

Watch, it will bring down acc in C6!

Bloodash
04-29-2006, 07:58 PM
I hear beserk lets you fly in c6 but drains 1% xp per minute

zxcv
04-29-2006, 07:59 PM
im still waiting for empower to decrease p.def....

Argetlahm
04-29-2006, 10:53 PM
im still waiting for empower to decrease p.def....
And might to drop mdef ;S

tozim
04-29-2006, 11:00 PM
Well. I'm seeing a trend here -
1. More buffs like Berserker Spirit that have multiple effects including negatives. (Prophecies, etc.)
2. Tyrant's specialty are self buffs that have multiple effects including negatives.
3. Out-of-the-blue nerfing of Tyrants.

Next logical step is give buffers all the Tyrant totems as targetable buffs and phase out the Tyrant class :em_swt2:.

Demon.
04-29-2006, 11:10 PM
Whit every new cronicle berseker spirit got more nerf...

C4: reduce m def
C5: reduce evasion
C6: ??? reduce max hp? what will be next!?!!? :dwf_cry: :hf_cry2:



Destroyers dont have M.def to begin with so pfft. And Evasion lol we cant evade a boulder commin at us fro m100 miles away at 25miles per hr so as of now this isnt a nerf at all.