c5 the age of healers / tanks

[RedWindBlade]

C5 really brings good new to all the healers and tanks in c5.. they are getting some great skills that will make them really usefull in pvp..

Also the daggers get some great pvp skills.. But i have still not seen any good pvp skills for the warrior class??


So will there be more skills for the warriors or will they yet again get neglicted??
:dwm_mad: , :hf_mad: , :ef_mad:

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can't wait to place my bish at tracks arena and do lame aoe mana burn all day there lol

[Lance]

If mana burn took all MP then that's like giving every healer a 100% paralyze (a nuker without mana is the same as a nuker who is silenced, or paralyzed).

Not gonna happen and it would be severely imbalanced.

[Div]

as unbalanced as 4.8kmatk and 1500 cast speed?

[Zenyth]

can't wait to see hate work in PvP. Would be fun with all the DDs beating on a UDed tank making it WAY easier for the healer. They should have implemented this a looong time ago :/

[Div]

hell yeah lol. might have to go with the old school hp setup again. going to be hella fun though. hate aura + ud->vengeance. haha!

[Lance]

as unbalanced as 4.8kmatk and 1500 cast speed?
Building a character for 2 years and turning it into a level 78 nuker is a big achievement and should have corresponding rewards. A level 78 arcane caster with stats that are just above average from a lvl75 nuker would be rather sad. Besides, it's not like a 78 casters will be "walking around town" with those stats. They are endgame battle skills and need several other endgame buffs/items to reach it. If they are able to do so, more power to them! They deserved it.

Any other class can reach godly stats with hard work. Can you imagine the stats on YOUR tank for example.. if you were 78, full S grade, fully buffed with level 78 buffs, various major boss items on, a full set of overenchanted weapons/armors and skills? And yes, the nuker you're most likely talking about HAS ALL THAT. Why shouldn't he be able to enjoy the reward?

Don't give me "yes but even then I'd be 3shot". You're a tank and your destiny does not lie in killing casters. Most melee however will never be able to stand against you if you had those stats (referring to the above when applied to a tank). You have to remember their will ALWAYS be one class stronger than the other. Stop complaining and think about what you can do to counter it.

In my clan on Bartz our archers honestly don't have any problem defeating a full Arcane Power nuker party. Why? Because they all have access to endgame material and they have the items and skills to counter such a party effectively.

I'd be very afraid of the next generation archers if I were you. If you complain about nukers now.. you won't like to see your 6k HP DA get 2shotted by arrows trust me ;)

[CharlieM]

hows an archer going to hit for that hard ?

[Lance]

I don't think my clan would be happy if I let it out.. ask your own 78 archers tho. If they plan out their character well then they will tell you.

[Chair]

Don't give me "yes but even then I'd be 3shot". You're a tank and your destiny does not lie in killing casters. Most melee however will never be able to stand against you if you had those stats (referring to the above when applied to a tank). You have to remember their will ALWAYS be one class stronger than the other. Stop complaining and think about what you can do to counter it.


Exactly why Warriors>Knights will never work.

[Denito(WTT)]

If mana burn took all MP then that's like giving every healer a 100% paralyze (a nuker without mana is the same as a nuker who is silenced, or paralyzed).

Not gonna happen and it would be severely imbalanced.not to mention archers, dagger w/o specials and no class can use skills.

[langlang]

hows an archer going to hit for that hard ?
you got s grade and you don't know how to do it? should of bought a players guide along with that armor...

[chintin]

I don't think my clan would be happy if I let it out.. ask your own 78 archers tho. If they plan out their character well then they will tell you.

draconic bow
dances
warlock buff
+crit power raid boss jews.
+str tats
pof/cov

have fun

[soltys]

Any other class can reach godly stats with hard work. Can you imagine the stats on YOUR tank for example.. if you were 78, full S grade, fully buffed with level 78 buffs, various major boss items on, a full set of overenchanted weapons/armors and skills? And yes, the nuker you're most likely talking about HAS ALL THAT. Why shouldn't he be able to enjoy the reward?

Similary buffed and equipped nuker would waste you like a train wastes a car parked on rails.

Difference in stats between 75 and 78, with the same equipment/buffs. is minimal for each class.

You're a tank and your destiny does not lie in killing casters.

But you're a tank and your destiny should lie in easily withstanding nukers (or any other classes')attacks. Not being dropped by 1-3 nukes depending on nuker's luck.

Damage curves are beyond broken in this game now.

[Zenyth]

With an all defensive setup like uprising had in the Battle Tournament, the opposing team's nukers were hitting for 3-400 dmg. Sure, they had PoW, and they all had +4 S grade jewelry, but 3-400 dmg is really low, regardless of the nukers castingspeed.

And untill you've been hit by someone with PoF, or CoV, you aren't really entitled to comment on how weak melee/archer dmg is compared to nukes...

Btw, watch VietKnight (gladiator) raping lvl 78 nukers in the BT 1 vs 1.

[Vent]

C5 is still the age of the nuker. Casting Speed buffs are still the same. It's just slightly less more dominant. Sleep casting speed nerf should of been there from the beginning. The Necromancer isn't as strong now with low level dark resist and ways to banish the Necromancer summon. We will see how Paladins face off vs a Necromancer. It is most definently still the age of ranged classes. Daggers might even be up there if partied with a lvl 78 Swordsinger. But there is no Cancel nerf again this time around as well.

I don't see healers doing that great vs nukers. In Olympiad sure maybe, sleep then spam mana drains and kill. So yup, there you have it, nukers will be overpowered still in C5 but just not as much as C4. Parties will most probably all have dark resist on now because it's a good defensive skill in PvE even.

[SoulGlo]

C5 really brings good new to all the healers and tanks in c5.. they are getting some great skills that will make them really usefull in pvp..

Also the daggers get some great pvp skills.. But i have still not seen any good pvp skills for the warrior class??


So will there be more skills for the warriors or will they yet again get neglicted??
:dwm_mad: , :hf_mad: , :ef_mad:


Well they gave tyrant a few good skills. Totem spirit Hawk sounds interesting, Zealot sounds interesting, and inferno body does since one will do more dmg when a target is surrendered to fire. But all they managed to do was gimp warriors really. Left glads and dwarves the same, gimped frenzy with a bow, and gimped tyrants reuse on totems, made them cost more mp without increasing any of their effects, and gimped bear totem spirit & Wolf totem spirit. All they ever do is gimp melees, they been doing this since stun being gimped that destroyed dwarves, especially BH. And with all the resist stun crap, it's useless.

[FlyZ]

Building a character for 2 years and turning it into a level 78 nuker is a big achievement and should have corresponding rewards. A level 78 arcane caster with stats that are just above average from a lvl75 nuker would be rather sad. Besides, it's not like a 78 casters will be "walking around town" with those stats. They are endgame battle skills and need several other endgame buffs/items to reach it. If they are able to do so, more power to them! They deserved it.

Any other class can reach godly stats with hard work. Can you imagine the stats on YOUR tank for example.. if you were 78, full S grade, fully buffed with level 78 buffs, various major boss items on, a full set of overenchanted weapons/armors and skills? And yes, the nuker you're most likely talking about HAS ALL THAT. Why shouldn't he be able to enjoy the reward?

Don't give me "yes but even then I'd be 3shot". You're a tank and your destiny does not lie in killing casters. Most melee however will never be able to stand against you if you had those stats (referring to the above when applied to a tank). You have to remember their will ALWAYS be one class stronger than the other. Stop complaining and think about what you can do to counter it.

In my clan on Bartz our archers honestly don't have any problem defeating a full Arcane Power nuker party. Why? Because they all have access to endgame material and they have the items and skills to counter such a party effectively.

I'd be very afraid of the next generation archers if I were you. If you complain about nukers now.. you won't like to see your 6k HP DA get 2shotted by arrows trust me ;)

So a person who lvled a gimp class through 4 shitty chronicles should get even better end game material such as a 100% mana burn? Would be nice imo.

[Lance]

But you're a tank and your destiny should lie in easily withstanding nukers (or any other classes')attacks. Not being dropped by 1-3 nukes depending on nuker's luck.

Damage curves are beyond broken in this game now.
There's a difference in beeing able to defend and beeing able to defeat. A hp setup tank can defend (his party) from nukers just fine. 15k HP is enough to whitstand even a few magic crits.

[soltys]

A hp setup tank can defend (his party) from nukers just fine.

Assuming hate skills now working in pvp, work really well.

[langlang]

So a person who lvled a gimp class through 4 shitty chronicles should get even better end game material such as a 100% mana burn? Would be nice imo.

but the skill starts at level 5x...
Probably drains a huge amount at your level with good m.atk o.o

[Simmie]

So a person who lvled a gimp class through 4 shitty chronicles should get even better end game material such as a 100% mana burn? Would be nice imo.

Couldnt agree more.

[Bloodash]

Finally gives the healer a reason to get a high M attack weapon I guess.
I'm still waiting for final comments about how much it actually DOES drain per level.

If anyone cares to pass this test to korean test server people, I know it would help alot of healers to sleep better.

56 healer with +3 SoV drains 56 mage with +3 BO set = ? mana drained
66 healer with +3 SOM drains 66 mage with +3 Maj set = ? mana drained
76 healer with +3 Arcana Mace drains 76 mage with +3 Tateossian set = ? mana drained

thanks.

[Reinhart]

Building a character for 2 years and turning it into a level 78 nuker is a big achievement and should have corresponding rewards. A level 78 arcane caster with stats that are just above average from a lvl75 nuker would be rather sad. Besides, it's not like a 78 casters will be "walking around town" with those stats. They are endgame battle skills and need several other endgame buffs/items to reach it. If they are able to do so, more power to them! They deserved it.

Any other class can reach godly stats with hard work. Can you imagine the stats on YOUR tank for example.. if you were 78, full S grade, fully buffed with level 78 buffs, various major boss items on, a full set of overenchanted weapons/armors and skills? And yes, the nuker you're most likely talking about HAS ALL THAT. Why shouldn't he be able to enjoy the reward?

Don't give me "yes but even then I'd be 3shot". You're a tank and your destiny does not lie in killing casters. Most melee however will never be able to stand against you if you had those stats (referring to the above when applied to a tank). You have to remember their will ALWAYS be one class stronger than the other. Stop complaining and think about what you can do to counter it.

In my clan on Bartz our archers honestly don't have any problem defeating a full Arcane Power nuker party. Why? Because they all have access to endgame material and they have the items and skills to counter such a party effectively.

I'd be very afraid of the next generation archers if I were you. If you complain about nukers now.. you won't like to see your 6k HP DA get 2shotted by arrows trust me ;)
good speech Lance but useless and senseless. U made paladin and went all the way up to 75+ and yes i respect u for that. When u made paladin what were you thinking about? Hoping to have balance? That ur class will be usefull? What did u get in the end? NOTHING! and let me guess ur sub - NUKER. why didn't u go like SwS, BD, or other not PvP dominating classes?
Nukers supposed to kill tanks and i totally agree with that although i think that tanks SHOULD soak up dmg around 8-10 shots of nukers before dieing. TANK! But the imbalance is not in the 1 class grater than another. Nukers LvL much faster than tanks and other melee DDs a little faster than even archers, so tell me PLZ where do u see balance in this case. Some players love solo, or duo. The fact that i'm tank not only makes me less desirable in parties but also bad in solo. And if ur clan PvPs a lot and random parties is not the best choice go lvl it up........... When u were in RK(was one of the most powerful alliances on a server) u were able to lvl up ur paly to very high lvl. Not u lvl up pretty fast cuz u are in.......Dynasty or UR i think UR not sure not really into politics lately again one of the highest. The thing that u getting lots of benefits by hopping from 1 highest clan to another and subbing Nuker i think necro or Sorc with are dominating doesn't alow u to tell everybody to stop crying.
76+ Archer with BD dances and drakonic hits me for like 1035 dmg still far from 2 shots and i had zerk + doom set.

[trag]

Building a character for 2 years and turning it into a level 78 nuker is a big achievement and should have corresponding rewards. A level 78 arcane caster with stats that are just above average from a lvl75 nuker would be rather sad. Besides, it's not like a 78 casters will be "walking around town" with those stats. They are endgame battle skills and need several other endgame buffs/items to reach it. If they are able to do so, more power to them! They deserved it.

Any other class can reach godly stats with hard work. Can you imagine the stats on YOUR tank for example.. if you were 78, full S grade, fully buffed with level 78 buffs, various major boss items on, a full set of overenchanted weapons/armors and skills? And yes, the nuker you're most likely talking about HAS ALL THAT. Why shouldn't he be able to enjoy the reward?

Don't give me "yes but even then I'd be 3shot". You're a tank and your destiny does not lie in killing casters. Most melee however will never be able to stand against you if you had those stats (referring to the above when applied to a tank). You have to remember their will ALWAYS be one class stronger than the other. Stop complaining and think about what you can do to counter it.

In my clan on Bartz our archers honestly don't have any problem defeating a full Arcane Power nuker party. Why? Because they all have access to endgame material and they have the items and skills to counter such a party effectively.

I'd be very afraid of the next generation archers if I were you. If you complain about nukers now.. you won't like to see your 6k HP DA get 2shotted by arrows trust me ;)
can bot to 78 in a few weeks