So once again dorfs are getting crap, right?

[Sickbrain]

Polearm Accuracy - Warlord, Destroyer, Bounty Hunter, Warsmith - 58
Increases accuracy when using polearm. Drains MP.
and
War Frenzy - Gladiator, Warlord, Destroyer, Tyrant, Bounty Hunter, Warsmith - 58
Increases player's resistance to shock and sleep attacks. Drains MP.

We don't even get Wide Attack while Warlord and Destroyer do, WTF? How about giving BH something...well I don't know...fucking useful like AOE sweep or greater spoil or make increase rate of drops for a party that has BH, we are Bounty Hunters after all ffs. Did testers of NCSoft even try to spoil 15 mobs with Spoil Festival and sweep one mob at the time?
Why even bother playing as BH when they are getting nothing. Everyone would rather play WS, at least they make money from crafting and don't share their crafts with party members.
BH - the most unchanged class since Prelude.
:dwf_mad:

[Cha0sL0rd]

waaa i cost thousands to killl waaaa shut up meat shield

[kash]

BountyHunter very popular class, so many of them...looks like no changes needed!!!!!


yeah..say thanks to farmers next time you see them!

[Oldirty]

I basically agree with the threadstarter :/
Anyways if you love to be bh and grind all the way up to 76 you can at least get nice additions through enchanting your skills

SpoilFestival->Aoe damage
Spoil->DamageOverTime
Sweep->mana/hp drain from dead mobs


Anyways i will sub Bh neverthles :D

[soltys]

BountyHunter very popular class, so many of them...looks like no changes needed!!!!!

NC designers are slow, but not that slow (I'd hope).

OTOH - how many people playing dwarves have still strength to complain after two years of explicit and implict nerfs ?

yeah..say thanks to farmers next time you see them!

At least you can craft something thanks to them.

[SoulGlo]

I basically agree with the threadstarter :/
Anyways if you love to be bh and grind all the way up to 76 you can at least get nice additions through enchanting your skills

SpoilFestival->Aoe damage
Spoil->DamageOverTime
Sweep->mana/hp drain from dead mobs


Anyways i will sub Bh neverthles :D


Yeah and they can enchant blunt masteries for crit rate/power increase. BTW spoil enchant +3 does like 1900 dmg over time, it's a dot that rivals WCs IF IT LANDS. It's landing rate isn't the best but you can spam it, the landing rate is realy random.

BTW - imo if dwarves want dmg dealing skills like tyrants/glads then imo they should be gimped in their adena making abilities and brought to the level of glad/tyrants when it comes to making adena, THEN that would also destroy the game. Unless they make everyone able to spoil and craft and make dwarves pure unique dd's. LOL but what dwarf that is played as a main is going to give up all that adena making?

[Chair]

Yeah and they can enchant blunt masteries for crit rate/power increase. BTW spoil enchant +3 does like 1900 dmg over time, it's a dot that rivals WCs IF IT LANDS. It's landing rate isn't the best but you can spam it, the landing rate is realy random.

BTW - imo if dwarves want dmg dealing skills like tyrants/glads then imo they should be gimped in their adena making abilities and brought to the level of glad/tyrants when it comes to making adena, THEN that would also destroy the game. Unless they make everyone able to spoil and craft and make dwarves pure unique dd's. LOL but what dwarf that is played as a main is going to give up all that adena making?

You don't take in consideration 1a craft shops and share spoil. What party DOESN'T use share spoil? I'm just one of the lucky ones who party doesn't have share spoil on. Dwarves are nerfed indirectly and thats why they ask for new skills. Its not the dwarf who makes the money btw its the player. Plus Ige, manor and bargining in giran>dwarves.

[Dua]

I basically agree with the threadstarter :/
Anyways if you love to be bh and grind all the way up to 76 you can at least get nice additions through enchanting your skills

SpoilFestival->Aoe damage
Spoil->DamageOverTime
Sweep->mana/hp drain from dead mobs


Anyways i will sub Bh neverthles :D

thats some pretty cool enchants.

[langlang]

the awsomeness of dwarven skill enchants is offset by the fact that they can't get any fucking exp to attempt skill enchants.

[soltys]

BTW spoil enchant +3 does like 1900 dmg over time, it's a dot that rivals WCs IF IT LANDS.

It will be fixed, don't worry. It's a missed fluke that noone bothered to test. And considering dwarven population of real players that are actually able to enchant skills ... not really much of a problem.

should be gimped in their adena making abilities

There're no adena making abilities for a dwarf. It's a legend from the times when servers ran in D grade equipment, when crafting *shots could actually give you something that matters. It's a brain and orientation in market situation that bring you big bucks in L2 now. Just flow along with what's going on in Giran

Every change made since C2 made players less dependent on BHs and WSes to obtain equipment & consumables. Partially as a "fix" to broken spoils and drops. The list of direct and indirect nerfs or simple stupidity, regarding dwarves, that also crippled the economy, is quite long.

As of this moment, dwarves are really at the very end of worthlesness in L2.

[kholdstare]

i have to agree with soltys. with the implementation of the mannor system, anyone can be a BH, and a selective oen at that. if you need enria, you buy the enria seeds and go to town on feeble type mobs. at the same time tho, the *only* reason legit dorfs are getting screwed is because farmers refuse to change their prices because that would mean they would have less adena to sell to IGE. the only reason an A grade stuff costs so much is because of the TOI quest, but even B grade is inflated. 55m for a clean bop? 45m for a clean dama? even though the crafts are 100% successful, and you get stuff liek lances and SOES selling for 15-20m. as long as farmers keep the prices jacked up on stuff, legit dorfs cant really expect much. evn on mats, shit is overpriced. again, if you want enria, you can A)buy it from the farmer dorf who has like, 500 of them for 50-60k, or buy all the manor seeds for enria. with manor, it comes out to be this:

buy 400 seeds for enria fruit: 350k
1 seed = 1 fruit.
10 fruit = 1 enria
400 fruit = 40 enria

or, you can buy from oOxiaochuoOo for 55k x 40 = 2.2m

OR, you become a bounty hunter yoruself, and collect all the enria you need for yourself, and talk to your clans WS, who can set you up and craft you stuff for pennies.

BH *do* have it hard with the superinflated market farmers have created, but their are ways legit players can get around it, for better or worse for the BH.

[Oldirty]

I agree with him!
Additionally the farmers control the manor system >.<
As legit player you mostly are disadvantaged and the farmers sell their fruits first becasue they use 3rd party softwarre to sell thier fruits i think >.<

[bats]

the awsomeness of dwarven skill enchants is offset by the fact that they can't get any fucking exp to attempt skill enchants.

Bumped for truth

[soltys]

same time tho, the *only* reason legit dorfs are getting screwed is because farmers refuse to change their

It costs ~42m to craft a bop on my server. Farmers have no hidden conspiracy to keep prices up - it's only supply/demand and broken game. The reason is similar to A grade helms - ultra rare recipes and difficult to obtain keyparts. And of course animal bones, followed by iron and varnish, required in sick quantities in every item, while being virtually unavailable after 60.

If you wanted to craft top C weapons - it would cost 15m - 20m per one these days. Of course noone crafts them - NC removed the need of a dorf below B grade almost completely, by introducing mammon crap. Typical, NC's lazy solution - instead of take care of spoils/drops/recipe books and few accompanying elements - just introduce npc shop.

[Synerge]

The LEAST they could do is give the BH's AOE sweep, I mean c'mon.

[Oldirty]

The LEAST they could do is give the BH's AOE sweep, I mean c'mon.

Tottally agree !
That would make the Bh an uber Matspoiler (what he supposed to be)
But i think AoeSweep is a skill that will never happen because Ncsofts rules are "if its to easy to obtain/do it then screw it " XD or sumthing

They gimped aoe lvling because players did gain too much through it and therefore they wont implement it :(

[Agent Unknown]

The LEAST they could do is give the BH's AOE sweep, I mean c'mon.

that would be awesome :dwm_happy

[RedWindBlade]

Polearm Accuracy - Warlord, Destroyer, Bounty Hunter, Warsmith - 58
Increases accuracy when using polearm. Drains MP.
and
War Frenzy - Gladiator, Warlord, Destroyer, Tyrant, Bounty Hunter, Warsmith - 58
Increases player's resistance to shock and sleep attacks. Drains MP.

We don't even get Wide Attack while Warlord and Destroyer do, WTF? How about giving BH something...well I don't know...fucking useful like AOE sweep or greater spoil or make increase rate of drops for a party that has BH, we are Bounty Hunters after all ffs. Did testers of NCSoft even try to spoil 15 mobs with Spoil Festival and sweep one mob at the time?
Why even bother playing as BH when they are getting nothing. Everyone would rather play WS, at least they make money from crafting and don't share their crafts with party members.
BH - the most unchanged class since Prelude.
:dwf_mad:

Well it looks like all the warrior class gets nothing.. but the tyrant getting nerfed!!! :dwm_mad: :of_mad: :of_mad:

[Sickbrain]

Where do you read about this skill enchants? I haven't seen it, link me.

[maian]

l2wh has them under tools I think.

And yes, dwarves need some bloody love.

Regarding NCSoft not being retarded enough to think that BHs are a popular class: Look what they did to prophets. Same pattern, no?

[kholdstare]

It costs ~42m to craft a bop on my server. Farmers have no hidden conspiracy to keep prices up - it's only supply/demand and broken game. The reason is similar to A grade helms - ultra rare recipes and difficult to obtain keyparts. And of course animal bones, followed by iron and varnish, required in sick quantities in every item, while being virtually unavailable after 60.

If you wanted to craft top C weapons - it would cost 15m - 20m per one these days. Of course noone crafts them - NC removed the need of a dorf below B grade almost completely, by introducing mammon crap. Typical, NC's lazy solution - instead of take care of spoils/drops/recipe books and few accompanying elements - just introduce npc shop.
well i dont know how they do it on lionna, but on bartz, the farmers really do decide the prices on stuff. i mean, the day C4 came out, BSS costs went from 52 to 65! for no damn reason! its like all the dorf shops in giran stood up, had a big PM session, and sat back down with a price, and they new ppl would buy because there was no cheaper SS. the same thing happened to CBP. used to go for an easy 8-9k per CBP, in coorilation with the 800-900a animal bone. then i wake up and allmost loose 2m to a dorf selling CBP for 20k! WTF??? How did a bone go from 800a to 2k overnight? farmers. true, it is harder to get bones at higher level, and i guess they finally woke up and said, "hey! were not making money! raise the price of bones!" of course, that lead to an increase in cost for VOP, from 30k to 75k, and mithril alloy in turn. a grade jewels are like 10-15m for an earring and 7m for a ring, just because you need a ton of VOP. thankfully the prices are dropping, but yeah, farmers run the show on bartz. I hate to say it, but its true. A grade armor is another sack of beans just because of the stupid TOI quest. weapons are another story tho. you got people selling dragon grinders, and BOMT for like 50m, which is pertty close to teh crystal cost. 15k an a cry and crystalizing a BOMT will get your 40-45m. a reasonable price. but soul bows and SOMs sell for like 70-80m "just cause people want it" farmers know what people are willing to spend on, and gouge prices accordingly.

but yeah, BH kinda got shafted at higher levels. as long as its cheaper for people to do mammon/manor, BH cant be as effective as they once were. im not saying tis 100% NC's fault, but as long as my above enria example holds true, BH can thank stupid farmers for not being able to sell their shit.

[Anbu]

i wish they did give something to dwarfs so i can have more motivation to level my cute pink-haired little girl. :dem_cry:

[maian]

Actually, maybe if they just fixed the spoil tables to include higher levels of ready-crafted materials after what - D Grade (crafted leather) - would be good. >.< I'm sure a BH would appreciate a bit of VOP in his pocket every now and then.

[kholdstare]

thats true. as it stands, not even a bounty hunter can spoil synthetic cokes or VOP. it would make attaining these mats much easier, make them more common and theirby, more affordable, which would lower the cost of everything overall. since their are VOP and Synth Coke manor seeds, mobs should be able to regular spoil this stuff.

the mobs would have to be really high though, not somethng the average farmer dorf could kill. mabey like Imperial Tomb mobs. that way farmers cant get to it, but legit high level BHs could.

[soltys]

the same thing happened to CBP. used to go for an easy 8-9k per CBP, in coorilation with the 800-900a animal bone. then i wake up and allmost loose 2m to a dorf selling CBP for 20k! WTF??? How did a bone go from 800a to 2k overnight?

This is how it was on bartz, up to 4 months backward - pretty much since the beginning of c4, regarding animal bones:

http://soltys.ziu.info/temp-imgs/bartz01.png

I'd say perfectly normal, considering ever increasing demand.