These New Skills for Healer...

[Cinage]

Anyone thinking they implemented this Mana Burn for them mainly to up their chances vs. mages in the Olympiad?

[Goldshlager]

only if the drain reuse is instant, and it if doesnt break sleep. But most mages will just sleep them anyway.

Didnt read to much into the skill, but was there a range that was given? Would need to be 900 range to have a chance with a lot of other ifs to that list.

[Azulenia]

only if the drain reuse is instant, and it if doesnt break sleep. But most mages will just sleep them anyway.

Didnt read to much into the skill, but was there a range that was given? Would need to be 900 range to have a chance with a lot of other ifs to that list.
try erm, even an SE can sleep an unbuffed mage easier than the mage can sleep him as he has buffs :)

[Goldshlager]

In the olympiads the healers cant do much cause they cant never get to their opponent. Sleep isnt landing to much for them. Also a lot of them are going in with 3 or 4 weapons to do various buffs, mental shield is used by most when against magic.

[Cinage]

In the olympiads the healers cant do much cause they cant never get to their opponent. Sleep isnt landing to much for them. Also a lot of them are going in with 3 or 4 weapons to do various buffs, mental shield is used by most when against magic.

Well, seeing as the healer can do the same, Healer still has the upper hand, especially if they are a Prophet (think Prophet get Mana Burn too?) or a Bishop (Cause Bishop still have a lower level Acumen Self Buff). Mana Burn should help out the Healers quite a bit vs. Mages in the competition.

[Bloodash]

I wonder how well bishops will do against mages:

/mana burn
/mana storm
/magical backfire

if u can spam those a few times, i'd think a nuker should drain his mp pretty fast.

[Bloodash]

no we don't know that, the test person was using C grade staff against a 76+ char, we don't know the healers level, the skills level, and how much a higher Mattack weapon boosts the mana burn.

if we know that we can draw some conclusions, but I don't believe that 100 dmg crap untill I see some comparison between a same lvl healer and nuker

[Bloodash]

you don't know if the healer is 7x, might just as well be 56 where you get the skill (could be they leveled a healer quickly to test out the skill fast, and didnt bother to level it up anymore)

[Xan]

Problem is that most healers has a crappy weapon. People usually go for +3 Acumen homonc, or a Acumen Valhalla. And I dont think it will change.

But lets take a wild guess.
7x Healer with a C staff, thats like 1000 m.atk or something like that (to make it easy) - draining 100 mp on a Archer without any song mdef buff = maximum of 700 mdef.

Same healer, draining a 7x Archer for 400 mp when that archer had no jewels at all. Normally a nuke on a character without jewels will be round 6000-8000 damage. So yeah, that mp drain is pretty sucky.
Like allways stupid post.
MOST BUFF BOTS USES +3 Homu..
1000 m atatck with c staff.. like more than 400-500.. god play a healer and then talk OK ?Considering that EE with SoM w/o buffs has around 800 you just fail.
It was not even an archer in that test , it was said 76 CHAR with S grade m def.. which is hella strong.
Also this skill has POWER rating dependant on level , no one said how high that healer was..
There was nothing said about buff on ethier healer or the char.. so realy your assumptions are just stupid.
Just love ppl spreading bullshit just to get postcount up.

[Isabel2002]

In the olympiads the healers cant do much cause they cant never get to their opponent. Sleep isnt landing to much for them. Also a lot of them are going in with 3 or 4 weapons to do various buffs, mental shield is used by most when against magic.

I don't see how a healer can't get to 600 range whit an unbuffed mage while the healer has ww and block ww. :P
He can slow and kite you... but he can't kill you till hes kiting whit no bsps.. he needs continuous fire for that. Then you can get close.

[Nya]

I was kited by SScreamer easily, i fired from my bow from time to time, but block ww doesnt land well, and everyone in olympiad has WW as well, and slow is damn strong slow, so i was just running around and he drained me if he thought he is far enough, i had no chance....and root in olympiad vs. mental aegis 4 SA, Wisdom and nm sets on melees=>no root

[Xan]

And I just plain love angry people who get their panties in a bunch over a post. Its what makes blah blah :em_luv: One half of us are tards, the other half are crazy fanatics who starts yelling and actually getting upset.

1) A healer with Empower has round 1000 m.atk. It depends on lvl though ofc. I dont know about you, but where I come we actually buff healers too.

2) The archer thing, hell I dont know where that came from, but geez it sure made you silly, so Ill stand by it.

3) Im taking a wild guess and saying that the healer also was high because a) it was the PTS, and if they archer was 70+ the healer prolly was that too, and b) they emphasized that they used a C staff, meaning that the healer was prolly same lvl, else they would have said that too.

4) Actually they said that the char they tried it on didnt have any buffs. Even with S grade jewels, no buffs = max 800ish m.def.

5) And I just love people like you who actually cry like a little baby as soon as anyone dont agree with you.


Hell even now I feel like deleting my answer and just write: Well you smell like pee pee and poo poo.
Again asumptions w/o fatcs , proofs so in other words spreading bullshit.
Do we know what lv that healer was ? do we know if he was buffed ?
Do we know that he had 1K+ m attack ?
They didnt said that char had buff o.O or not , just check hellrose post.. WOW ONCE AGAIN SPREADING RUMORS , great.

[Xan]

You swear so much it hurts my spleen. :em_cry:
And this whole space before punctuation is so junior high school - almost as bad as using caps.

Btw, do you have a link to the post?
Or, to write it so you understand me:
BTW , DO YOU HAVE A LINK TO THE POST ?
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29696
First post , now honestly shut the fuck up and stop spreading rumors.

[Xan]

I need code for this:

Look ! And I quote Hellrose :
Sapped about 100 against unbuffed targets with Tateossean Jewllery.
Sapped 400 against targets without Jewllery. Tester was using Ghoul Staff.

I DONT KNOW ABOUT YOU , BUT I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE THE TARGET WAS UNBUFFED !

I LIKE RUMORS !

And here is me swearing : Shut the fuck up ! BULLSHIT !
=[ sad i proven you wrong mister deleted warlord with 10 pvp`s :<
Great you can use code .
Also love you , the best thing you can hang onto now is me making spaces.
Just love buthurt warlords with diehard syndrome.

[Xan]

1) I was wrong one one part, it wasnt an archer, must be my inherant ranged hatred or something. Other than that I was just speculating, which in fact is not "wrong".

Yes also you were right with that 1k m attack , and ALL healers using homo/valhala ?
You were right about knowing level of that healer ?
Your speculations are just easy way to make rumors ... i can speculate about MP burn doing 1-2k MP dmg ?
Will this be good , i don`t think so , you just filiing your post with speculations having no backup in game..

[Bloodash]

lets just pray hellrose will make all these rumors dissapear so you two kids can kiss and make up

[Xan]

I wish. :em_luv:
Heh friend is playing on KR pts.. but no info yet.
Good thing is that he is in PlayForum clan and some of them speak perfect english so might get info of him.
TBH i dont think so mana burn will be hard counter like anchor/LS/silience.
Most probaly it will be soft burned mp will be low...
I most fear that it will be stupid for melles , they have low mp pool/m def so using it on them will be most efficient.

[Bloodash]

tengil it doesn't matter what most healers have now, if an A grade weapon ups the power of the drain by enough most pvp healers will get an A grade weapon, just like a nuker. its just that now there isn't much reason to go A grade for a healer (tho I know alot of healers who actually have an A grade weapon)

and you are guessing as much as us about the healer level, so we can't say much about it

[leogeo2]

I'll wait for the PTS before making all these sfalse assumptions and these pointless arguements that some people are having over this tender subject of how healers can beat mages. But I can only imagine the m.atk difference between some c-grade weapon compared to having near 1.5k matk with an a-grade weapon and when buffed.

[Tadu]

I'm a healer and i use SOM...

I think mana burn will have a power rating just like nukes and i suspect it will use the same matk and mdef formula as nukes because NC are too lazy to code too much more into the game. So I think that like nukes do a lot of damage at high lvls, this mana burn skill will do some serious MP draining when used by a high lvl healer with a good weapon.

[Anoxia]

A nuker with a ghoulstaff even at a loooooow level would do more damage to a 76 with tateosian unless he resists it.

Now the question is was the 100 mp loss resisted or not, doubt it as it wasn't mentioned, so no, i don't expect it to do 1200+ mp burns at a high level/m.atck

[leogeo2]

I usualy see some Bishops with overenchanted health weapons just for survival in fights.

[Anoxia]

I've used a +17 homu on my EE before ^_^

[Tadu]

Heh friend is playing on KR pts.. but no info yet.
Good thing is that he is in PlayForum clan and some of them speak perfect english so might get info of him.
TBH i dont think so mana burn will be hard counter like anchor/LS/silience.
Most probaly it will be soft burned mp will be low...
I most fear that it will be stupid for melles , they have low mp pool/m def so using it on them will be most efficient.

omg omg omg, if I had a friend playing on the KR PTS then I would be emailing him on an hourly basis until he told me all the details of how mana burn worked! I think you should find us some hard facts asap. :)

I also think that this mana burn skill will be just as effective vs melee, however you must remember that a melee without MP will still kill a healer without breaking a sweat. So i'm not too worried about it making me overpowered.

[Anoxia]

omg omg omg, if I had a friend playing on the KR PTS then I would be emailing him on an hourly basis until he told me all the details of how mana burn worked! I think you should find us some hard facts asap. :)

I also think that this mana burn skill will be just as effective vs melee, however you must remember that a melee without MP will still kill a healer without breaking a sweat. So i'm not too worried about it making me overpowered.

Well if it's mdef based, fighters have lower m.def than a nuker and a lot less mp so they'll be empty a lot quicker, this would affect gladiators and daggers more than nukers since in mass pvp they have to run at the opposing side and the healer could mana burn him from the back.

Don't really see any 'defensive mage' running up to an enemy group to mana burn and coming back alive, unless it's like a prophet in heavy armor.