Wow or L2

[Hadies]

ok ok here is my story my friend quit wow to play lineage. when he got to level 20 he quit and said it was gay even though he didnt really know what the game was like. so, since most of you know lineage and wow pretty good after you voted tell me what you voted and why. personaly i think that WOW sucks

[Hadies]

This artical shows both sides of the story if you realy have nothing to do:
Graphics:
The detail in Lineage 2 is unsurpassed if you play with all the options on. Many people complain about the "cartoonish" graphics of World of Warcraft, but I haven't seen any screenshots that really show the details you miss from seeing it in action.

Level Grinding:
Do I really need to mention this? Lineage 2 is one of the most hardcore grinding games you will ever come across. Is this a good thing? Of course it isn't. If you are truly looking for a pvp game that rewards skill instead of time, Lineage 2 isn't it. This is one of the major reasons why the larger more well-known clans like Sin and The Combine left the game early on in my opinion. But, there is one positive thing about the grind. You gain a sense of accomplishment after you reach the next level. I think this gives enough satisfaction for certain players. But, for people like myself, I get more satisfaction from placing another human character face down in the grass. It is much more satisfying to know you "outskilled" your opponent rather than "outleveling" or "outgearing" your opponent. Where does this leave World of Warcraft? In world of warcraft, the grind is a joke in comparison...seriously. Within 48 hours of play time, I am almost done with the grind. Many will say you can spend an eternity grinding for uber gear etc. etc... but that is a choice. An easy grind has nothing to do with the quality of the game. Soon enough, more and more developers will open their eyes and realize the American public doesn't have time to waste grinding for digital crack. We would much rather spend our time perfecting our abilities to kill another human opponent.

Money and Items:
IGE and other adena selling companies are rich for one reason...getting money in Lineage 2 is a test of patience. You are constantly behind the curve when it comes to leveling and equipping yourself. Crafting equipment would only be harder if there weren't farmers. Let's see how long it takes you to farm 8769234 animal bones the legit way. Money and items come easy in World of Warcraft, but in order to get the best of the best, you need to reach insane levels of pvp honor points and/or grind 40-man instances(dungeons unique to your group)and HOPE your item drops.. After that, you better hope it's your chance to pick it up.

Community:
Most MMORPG communities are the same. You will always have newbies, idiots, scammers, griefers, pks, carebears, helpful people, and the rightful elite. In both games there are a large amount of idiots, but Lineage 2 has the MOST people who have delusions of granduer because of thier clan, alliance, level, or gear. Take those same people to a game that requires more skill...and you will never hear about their names. In some ways, the same can be said for WoW.

Player Killing:
I don't seperate pking and pvp. Online killing is online killing in my opinion. Player killing is usually defined as killing someone even if they don't want to engage in combat. Plaver versus player takes a more consentual approach. You can do both in Lineage 2 and World of Warcraft. In Lineage 2, the price you must pay for killing whoever you want, when you want is unnecessary in my opinion. When I first signed up for L2, I was told that it would be all out carnage; killing everywhere you want it. But, the rules force the opposite to be true. Yes, you can pk someone damn near anywhere; but at what cost? Is it really worth risking that gear you took months to grind for to kill someone? This only forces people to only attack those who they outnumber, or completely overpower when pking. As soon as a challenge arrives, prepare for the force log/insta-scroll. There is one thing that keeps a few hardcore killers playing L2. Satisfaction. If I kill someone, it is a 98% chance that they will be pissed off. More importantly, you have essentially stolen 30-45 minutes of that persons life if they don't get a good rez. There is plenty of PK/PVP action in World of Warcraft. Anyone who tells you otherwise is completely misinformed. Make sure you play on a decent pvp server. Pking in WoW consists of ambushing those who would rather level. Pvp can be found damn near anywhere. Yes, there are zones that don't allow you to attack the other side unless they attack you first, but that isn't a problem like it sounds. You are forced to go into the free for all contested zones to continue leveling. There are some who may only level in instances, but no where near the amount that you are led to believe. "But, you just kill the same people over and over in WoW with no point Tay." This is only an issue if you choose to stick around and kill the same people over and over. If you are any good, you will kill the same person 3-4 times in a row before they get the point that they can't win and move on. Here is an example of one day in WoW at level 30. While I am running around completing quests, I end up killing over 50 DIFFERENT people without looking for a fight. That number is very low for some people, but huge compared to Lineage 2. I can easily rack up hundreds (for some, thousands) of kills in a day simple by the sheer number of enemies to kill. The sheer number of battles completely consumes any pvp in Lineage 2. How many people in Lineage 2 do you know who have over 10k kills? Nuff' said.

[Shindo]

WoW is built around the casual player. There's no penatly in dying, aside from gear condition decay.

The economy isn't all fucked in WoW but the soulbinding of items is retarded.

Gearing up is set up to favor big guilds only, and the way to go about getting your set peices is utterly rediculous. Raid with 20-39 others, in the same crappy instance, thousands of times.
It gets repetitive which causes boredom.

Gearing up in L2 isn't any better, you can farm for your stuff (lol) but in all reality, your gear depends on what clan you're in to some extent, more so how much money you're willing to ebay. =/

WoW PvE sucks, L2 PvE sucks, WoW PvP sucks, L2 PvP is decent.

I can't stand WoW graphics, L2 takes the cake on that. L2 mounts own WoW mounts, only thing is in WoW you have a choice on what mount you pick, in L2 they all look the same.

I like the idea of instanced dungeons, but that is bitter sweet. First come first serve anxiety is gone, as long as you have time to donate in WoW, you'll get your gear.

In L2 it takes more coordination to pull off high end raid bosses.

Both WoW and L2 have their pro's and con's. I'm playing L2 atm, because WoW got boring, maybe I'll be playing WoW again once L2 gets boring, who knows.

[megalomaniac]

WoW is built around the casual player.you couldn't be more wrong

[Shindo]

you couldn't be more wrong

Just my opinions, not thinking for anyone, you guys make your own. =)

Rested XP, 0-60 in 2 weeks, ability to start WoW today and be decently geared without any dedication in game or outside help = casual to me.

[DracheDesFeuers]

This is just my opinon, but I don't think we need a poll to find out people's opinion. This is all about L2 so the chances are that majority of the people are going to be on the L2 side because they play it. I'm not dissing your post, I just want to let people know that it may not be entirely acurrate because it is from L2 players perspective. The same thing would apply if this was asked in a WoW forum.

[megalomaniac]

Just my opinions, not thinking for anyone, you guys make your own. =)

Rested XP, 0-60 in 2 weeks, ability to start WoW today and be decently geared without any dedication in game or outside help = casual to me.I know these points but the not-so-casual game starts when you hit level 60, not on your way there :wink:

[Shindo]

I know these points but the not-so-casual game starts when you hit level 60, not on your way there :wink:


Rank 14 grind *shudders* ^^

Basically what Im saying is comparing the two, L2 and WoW, I'd say WoW is geared more towards a casual player, you dont have to raid BWL/AQ all day but I guess thats whats left to do at 60 other than the PvP grind.

I guess my character advancing in WoW alot faster and easier than my L2 character lead me to these opinions.

[DracheDesFeuers]

Yah I hear that that is one of the big problems with WoW, even from some people that play it and still play it. Too quick to cap and then you are stuck.

[Hadies]

thanks for the input shindo, i dont play wow but i have heard plenty. btw man were the hell did u get that sig man??? that is probably the best one i have seen on this site. gota give you props for that one

[Shindo]

thanks for the input shindo, i dont play wow but i have heard plenty. btw man were the hell did u get that sig man??? that is probably the best one i have seen on this site. gota give you props for that one

No problem bro ^^

I made that sig myself thanks for the comment on it. :D
The dark elf you see there is from Oath of Blood log in screen.

[soltys]

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[Tatsumasa]

Why Blizzard created WoW? its just all old or stolen by other games...
pick up @ Anarchy online
Money @ Daoc
Skill names (Fake death, deadly blow etc.) @ you should know
Graphic like before in Wc3..nothing better
no new chars..skills are mainstream...story is the same ...same charakters like Illidan and others...no good char design...in 3 Days you got high lvl..?

[Psy]

played wow for 1 day and was stuck in a cartoon network coma. When i woke i tried eq 2 pvp and they really suck cause they all come from wow and think they are bad ass in pvp. Got 677 kills vs 79 deaths, wow ppl are kinda weak skilled and then again eq 2 pvp sucks ass(it's one big gank). la2 > eq2 > tons of other games > WoW

[megalomaniac]

Yah I hear that that is one of the big problems with WoW, even from some people that play it and still play it. Too quick to cap and then you are stuck.not exactly stuck but at 60 the grind kicks in harshly (which is a fundamental change from the previous, new player friendly, real-life welcoming playstyle of the levels 1-59), and at some point that grind even requires people to be in raiding guilds, that's when the game starts to be unfun and you cannot play it at your own pace anymore. Although L2 is unfun from the beginning, you can play at your own pace if you don't mind taking three years even getting to level 60 or whatever... WoW is only easier to pick up, it turns into a regular MMO at lvl.60

Why Blizzard created WoW? its just all old or stolen by other games...
pick up @ Anarchy online
Money @ Daoc
Skill names (Fake death, deadly blow etc.) @ you should know
Graphic like before in Wc3..nothing better
no new chars..skills are mainstream...story is the same ...same charakters like Illidan and others...no good char design...in 3 Days you got high lvl..?For one, Blizzard never really invented much but rather refined what was already out there, and considering that's an idea every game developer could and should come up with, you have to give them props for 1) trying and 2) succeeding. They sure didn't invent the MMO genre and they sure didn't progress it past the original EQ idea much, but you have to ask yourself, why did other games not try to pick the best ideas from other games to create an almost perfect blend? Why does L2 have to gradually improve its interface with every Chronicle, taking hints from WoW and EQ(2) and still they're lightyears behind even the quality and usability of EQ's interface?

Also, I highly doubt Anarchy Online, DAoC or Lineage were the first games to use bound items, money or the skill names you mentioned (the WoW skill is called Feign Death, BTW), and why do you take visuals over gameplay? What "new chars" did you expect, what "non-mainstream skills" would you want, what do you expect from the story of a game set in the Warcraft universe - or do you bitch and moan about Alien 2's story because it's not too different from Alien's? And why are you so anal about your levels, why do you need levels at all to have fun or consider a game to be good?

[astinus]

And why are you so anal about your levels, why do you need levels at all to have fun or consider a game to be good?

Because MMOGs all are timesinks and it's a lot easier to justify wasting your free time by seeing your level go up every few (hundred/thousand) mobs than it is by doing a 6 hour raid and getting nothing out of it. This is why I think WoW is so popular with casual players because although it takes them a year to reach level cap they see fairly even progress throughout, whereas in LII they'd be a level 40 Elven Scout for four months. The slightly more hardcore gamers on the other hand would reach the cap in WoW in two months and then see little to no progress on their character. But in LII they can happily grind their way to 75/subclass for months/years.

But meh, it's all the same to me. (except that imo LII > WoW)

[question]

both imo

wow=tons of end game junk

L2=u never get to end game anyway

[megalomaniac]

Because MMOGs all are timesinks and it's a lot easier to justify wasting your free time by seeing your level go up every few (hundred/thousand) mobs than it is by doing a 6 hour raid and getting nothing out of it. This is why I think WoW is so popular with casual players because although it takes them a year to reach level cap they see fairly even progress throughout, whereas in LII they'd be a level 40 Elven Scout for four months. The slightly more hardcore gamers on the other hand would reach the cap in WoW in two months and then see little to no progress on their character. But in LII they can happily grind their way to 75/subclass for months/years.

But meh, it's all the same to me. (except that imo LII > WoW)Again, character development isn't necessarily tied to levels, although I see that for Lineage players this concept may be hard to grasp. The hardcore WoW players still see a lot of progress on their characters it's just that this progress isn't levels, it's an increase in relative power (from gear upgrades) while the locked level ensures that game mechanics don't get out of whack because the rolls for how well you hit and how often your skills work are tied to character and skill levels. So how is it easier to justify playing by seeing some pointless number rise as opposed to rising other numbers except for the level? When did RPGs turn from character development based to all about levels because I certainly didn't get that memo...

[belkoreth]

In L2 it takes more coordination to pull off high end raid bosses.

Kinda had to chuckle there. Take 40 L2 players and drop 'em into fighting C'Thun, or Razorgore, etc, I bet half of 'em would quit by the time their gear all hit zero durability the first time. =)

WoW endgame raid bosses are very complex, technical fights, where one player making a small screwup can totally destroy a raid.

[Osti]

what results do you expect on an l2-website?

[Shindo]

Kinda had to chuckle there. Take 40 L2 players and drop 'em into fighting C'Thun, or Razorgore, etc, I bet half of 'em would quit by the time their gear all hit zero durability the first time. =)

WoW endgame raid bosses are very complex, technical fights, where one player making a small screwup can totally destroy a raid.
You misunderstood what I meant.

Coordination in setting up your raid and beating enemy clans, and farmers to it.

Raid Bosses in L2 are all free game, first come first serve, in WoW, aside from the dragons and kazzak, the bosses with the best loot sit there and wait for you guys to kill him.

If you're willing to dedicate time to type a search in google, read the strategy guide, with a boss that will be there waiting for only your 40 people, bent over with the lube, assuming the position till you get the strat correct, then sure yeah...go WoW raiding.

[Einherjar]

i took a break from L2 a while back in C3 and picked up wow

wow was nice in the fact that u didnt seem to realise u wer grinding, the crafting was a fresh change but too simple..

the questing was rly rly good system, im no quest hoe, however i was doing so many quests seemlessly, that rly made me say "wow"

the problem with faction based pvp, is the same with all faction based pvp - there is NO REASON TO KEEP FIGHTING EACH OTHER. at least in l2, the politics system KEEPS reinventing the game, and keeps the game going thanks to the drama engine

end of the dya, you hate sum1 ingame in l2, for a reason, you have no hate or drive in wow/daoc etc.

[Turalon]

I voted Lineage, and for good reasons. In my experience, I played Lineage 2 before WoW, but quit when WoW came out to play it. I thought WoW was SO much better than Lineage, because there were TONS of quests to do and leveling up to the cap was so much fun. However, once I reached the end game of WoW, I realized my options were severely limited. I could either PvP in the broken, boring PvP system which rewards great items for time spent playing, NOT for the skill level of the player, I could do end game raiding which gets really boring really fast, I could grind for random mats (very boring), or I could sit around in town and jump around with a few friends being extremely bored (this is what happens most of the time). After a while of playing WoW I quit to come back to Lineage, because I realized that the end-game content is all that really matters, and Lineage offers SO much more than WoW, and the PvP system is much better as well. I'm not bashing WoW...it's a fun game to play, but once you get to the end it goes downhill.

And whoever said raid bosses were hard to kill in WoW...that's only true for the first guild to EVER down the boss. Once one has, the strat is out and if your group of 40 can't get that strat right, you're playing with a bunch of uncoordinated idiots.

[Jenna]

Played L2 for about two years now, first on freeshards then leveled a warlock on teon to lvl 65 and then I got borred. The reason of this is:
You log in, try to find a yourself a normal party, cause you cant solo at this lvl and the opposing allies would kick you ass in no time. Im not a carebear I love pvp, but for sure I cant go killing all by myself. This continues for days/months... Even tho I play alot, but half of that time i spend in towns looking for party. Then I tryed wow and im happy with it, dunno what will happen when I hit lvl 60 and I do miss L2 a bit, I miss the people in it more then the game itself. Love the never ending war and quests in WoW and the idea that alliance and horde cant comunicate is really nice, never heard any trashtalk there. Ofc you cant trashtalk in L2, cause you'll get a couple of hundred petitions on your ass from your enemies. Miss the castle sieges of L2 and the drama :hf_happy:. So I havent voted neither for WoW or L2...

[Vent]

Played L2 for about two years now, first on freeshards then leveled a warlock on teon to lvl 65 and then I got borred. The reason of this is:
You log in, try to find a yourself a normal party, cause you cant solo at this lvl and the opposing allies would kick you ass in no time. Im not a carebear I love pvp, but for sure I cant go killing all by myself. This continues for days/months... Even tho I play alot, but half of that time i spend in towns looking for party. Then I tryed wow and im happy with it, dunno what will happen when I hit lvl 60 and I do miss L2 a bit, I miss the people in it more then the game itself. Love the never ending war and quests in WoW and the idea that alliance and horde cant comunicate is really nice, never heard any trashtalk there. Ofc you cant trashtalk in L2, cause you'll get a couple of hundred petitions on your ass from your enemies. Miss the castle sieges of L2 and the drama :hf_happy:. So I havent voted neither for WoW or L2...

Dude... you played a Warlock, what did you expect? Not talking about C4, as this Chronicle is good to Warlocks. As well if opposing factions kick your ass, thats your fault. Stick with it or step out. Go keep playing WoW with your safe instances.