Dagger

[Senro]

Has anyone test the the new dagger skills yet?

[Jetta]

Highly doubt it.

[Ints]

Im going to do that in next 2 weeks.

[Senro]

Ahh yea true no one that high lvl i guess...and most are testing healer/tanks.....but someonw might know this. Does the instant kill effect on the stab only work when u are lvl 78? I read this somewhere might be true or migth be bull..

[TemplarZ]

Uhm hello? lol 90% of PTS are daggers.

IK is on DB, BS and BB...all below lvl 76. All take enemies full CP away.

Sandbomb = 90% land rate, -10 accuracy.

[SoulGlo]

Sandbomb owns, probably the best change they gave to daggers, besides bs bypassing cp. I heard a TH say that Critical blow sucks though.

[affekopp]

if sandbomb had like 600 range cool...

but 150? wtf.

[Yarieos]

Kinda sucks that there will be a decent amount of dagger rerolls though =/

[SoulGlo]

Kinda sucks that there will be a decent amount of dagger rerolls though =/


Not realy for me, I need something to kill on my tyrant, been raping daggers in pts I made it my purpose on the pts to do just that.

[Diego Vargas]

Not realy for me, I need something to kill on my tyrant, been raping daggers in pts I made it my purpose on the pts to do just that.

Heh yeah ive had alot of fun spanking all the dagger pts rollups.

And the available dual swords on the pts dont even have SA's on them.

[Jestine]

Uhm hello? lol 90% of PTS are daggers.

IK is on DB, BS and BB...all below lvl 76. All take enemies full CP away.

Sandbomb = 90% land rate, -10 accuracy.
90%? please more like 99

[Hahn]

TH:
- Sandbomb lands good and has -12 accuracy (not -10)
- Stealth is awesome for just getting to a spot, because it doesn't reduce runspeed and it only takes 34 MP per 2 minutes (selfbuff)
- Trick works in PvP, makes target lose his target, lands pretty decent
- Critical Blow itself (so that it actually does damage) lands pretty crappy, but you always get the 15 sec MM effect after it. I'd say it takes about a minute to reload the skill with Haste 2 on.
- Dash stays 15 sec now and reloads in like 45 sec, so that's awesome too.

[Tristan Tzara]

C5=C2.

I predict full Doom Heavy+Shield setups on daggers again, with lots of +con and vitality taking warding's place in pvp.

[Anbu]

nah, daggers ARE better than before obviously but still any archer/mage can own any dagger before the dagger knows wtf happened.

The reason ppl are talking about dagger is cause they were the most modified and cuz 90% of the ppl on the pts went dagger. I personally went in there with my SH buffed with emp3 and magic haste 2 pot and killed 4 daggers inna row before that teon clan realised what happened.

After that though i got ganked every time i stepped in lol.

MDK in arena: "Gank or be ganked deal with it. Isn't there PVP in Gustin?"

ME: "You realise ur in the arena with a full dagger PVP party for 2 days straight now and your calling it PVP right?"

ARENA doesn't = PVP kay?

:dem_happy

[Magus]

ARENA doesn't = PVP kay? :dem_happy

What the hell do you do in the arena then? PvP = PLAYER vs. PLAYER. I'm pretty sure it does.

[Heliospathe]

nah, daggers ARE better than before obviously but still any archer/mage can own any dagger before the dagger knows wtf happened.

The reason ppl are talking about dagger is cause they were the most modified and cuz 90% of the ppl on the pts went dagger. I personally went in there with my SH buffed with emp3 and magic haste 2 pot and killed 4 daggers inna row before that teon clan realised what happened.

After that though i got ganked every time i stepped in lol.

MDK in arena: "Gank or be ganked deal with it. Isn't there PVP in Gustin?"

ME: "You realise ur in the arena with a full dagger PVP party for 2 days straight now and your calling it PVP right?"

ARENA doesn't = PVP kay?

:dem_happy

Root + daggers = archers and mages beware. :dem_swt:

[Druchii]

Daggers arnt that great at taking tanks still. They were suposed to be the anti tank class but from my time on pts.
My SK (with a live played EE) killed a TH,and 2 PW (they had Live EE). killed the th, ee and a pw, other pw ran. i still had 3k hp (of 6k).

But the new dagger skills are nice. But it doesnt god mode them like c2.
C5 has balanced the classes up alot.

[SoulGlo]

C5=C2.

I predict full Doom Heavy+Shield setups on daggers again, with lots of +con and vitality taking warding's place in pvp.


Umm from a tyrant prospective, I will say you guys are going wayyyyyyyyyyy overboard with this dagger thing. They are nothing like c2, in c2 on my tyrant I used to get rocked by daggers unless I crippled and kited them. First off, I own every dagger that I have ever fought, I have owned every dagger that I have come into mass pvp against and etc. Yes bs does evil dmg, but daggers still go down rather easy. I would not understand the reasoning in wearing heavy armor when they have a skill like sandbomb. That heavy armor not going to save them from archers that crit them for 4k dmg or more at end game lvl.

Whats sad is that pts has ruined the manner in which people think and they are overhyping one class w/o any consideration of other classes that may be equally boosted as daggers. Yes daggers are good, but they were already ownage at lvl 77-78 so its all the same. On my tyrant I have smashed many classes since tyrants do way more dps then they used to, however some skills dont work in pts like infernal form which adds quite a bit of dmg to skills supposedly and tyrants run out of mp like a dagger now. I can drop a mage/archer pretty damn in c5 it is rediculous, but it means nothing if you can't get to them. The new rabbit spirit makes it easier, but if you fighting full archers/nuker groups you're going to die as fast as you did in c4. Range will ALWAYS be > melee, it's just melees do more dmg now. Sometimes I think people forget how much dmg a fully buffed end game archer /w drac bow focus and boss jewels do on crits.

A daggers weak pdef is a 2 shot from 900 range for an archer. The same for tyrant, although it will take more than 2 shots, I may be able to kill archers in seconds now but tbh it don't even matter when in mass pvp they target you, headshot. The same for mages, atm these fights are only with pre-75 skills, we all know how overpowered the vortex skills are, and that mages can have like 5k matk, not too mention the 78 buffs that makes their cast speed way too much. People have to remember these things and not get carried away.

[TemplarZ]

The biggest surprise was they added Bluff to Blinding Blow. pure ownage imo.

[TemplarZ]

Umm from a tyrant prospective, I will say you guys are going wayyyyyyyyyyy overboard with this dagger thing. They are nothing like c2, in c2 on my tyrant I used to get rocked by daggers unless I crippled and kited them. First off, I own every dagger that I have ever fought, I have owned every dagger that I have come into mass pvp against and etc. Yes bs does evil dmg, but daggers still go down rather easy. I would not understand the reasoning in wearing heavy armor when they have a skill like sandbomb. That heavy armor not going to save them from archers that crit them for 4k dmg or more at end game lvl.

have you fought a dagger 1vs1 yet? Or just mass pvp where the dagger is killing someone else and you gank him?

[SoulGlo]

Daggers arnt that great at taking tanks still. They were suposed to be the anti tank class but from my time on pts.
My SK (with a live played EE) killed a TH,and 2 PW (they had Live EE). killed the th, ee and a pw, other pw ran. i still had 3k hp (of 6k).

But the new dagger skills are nice. But it doesnt god mode them like c2.
C5 has balanced the classes up alot.


They are not that great at killing anyone besides mages/archers pre-75. I agree with what you are saying, I have been WTFOWNing daggers all week just because people have been overhyping them - I do it for that reason. My tyrants name is "Yeshua" and I am sure you have seen him. I really mass pvped like the first day and some of the second, but meh I got a char that needs to hit 78 on real server so the time I have free to play any games goes to that. But anyways I smash them. But bs when haxed by a AW is something crazy man.

[SoulGlo]

have you fought a dagger 1vs1 yet? Or just mass pvp where the dagger is killing someone else and you gank him?


Well I have fought a dagger 1v1, and I kill them easy sometimes, but even if it is not easy I still win BUT I am not a regular tyrant but I actualy play the class very very well. Although it's kind of hard to 1v1 when everyone starts ganking you. But seriously though, most of the times daggers run up to you and try to gank you and if you kill them with like basically full hp left then what would that show? Although I have had some close calls with them, it depends on the skil of the dagger. But I have won everytime. But Like I said before... AW's when they hit bs when you are haxed is some crazy shit.

I mean whats different, having a cd, or two classes that just start going at it when they both have full hp/cp and mp. besides ganks show how the game is, much of the game is ganks anyways. But like I said I have fought some nice fights with daggers and some of them were good and challenging. Tyrants have really good pdef btw in c5, ogre spirit with shield is like 1078 and w/ the new shield on top of that pdef is 1178 w/o songs. Daggers don't hit me for that much, only bs does decent dmg in that, bs owns I won't lie about that. The problem is that people mass rolled daggers and they don't understand how much better other classes are until they get owned by them. Ask anyone that knows they will tell you that tyrants are overpowered now, but most won't know how they rock in c5 and are even more so > daggers. But then again.... these are fights with 75 chars, not end game chars which is completely different.

[Hahn]

Daggers arnt that great at taking tanks still. They were suposed to be the anti tank class but from my time on pts.
My SK (with a live played EE) killed a TH,and 2 PW (they had Live EE). killed the th, ee and a pw, other pw ran. i still had 3k hp (of 6k).

But the new dagger skills are nice. But it doesnt god mode them like c2.
C5 has balanced the classes up alot.
Daggers are the anti-archer/mage, because they do massive damage on low pdef. Against tanks (high pdef) they suck quite a lot.

[SoulGlo]

Daggers are the anti-archer/mage, because they do massive damage on low pdef. Against tanks (high pdef) they suck quite a lot.

Most class skills do massive dmg to robes/lights, daggers got one up on the other DD/melees with bs I won't lie that shit does hellish dmg.

[SoulGlo]

Daggers are the anti-archer/mage, because they do massive damage on low pdef. Against tanks (high pdef) they suck quite a lot.

Most class skills do massive dmg to robes/lights, daggers got one up on the other DD/melees with bs I won't lie that shit does big dmg.