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GamlinLarsen
08-26-2006, 12:07 PM
Hello everyone

Im writing this is objectively as i can, i come from a server filled with botters and raid farmers, where it is accepted on Kain, it isnt on alot of
other servers, especially on Bartz as ive been told, i know ormjaevel and
mec a little bit from playing Rocket Arena Quake3 on the swedish scene,
so i have been brought up to date a few times.

This is meant for all those people who dont understand why L2 is the way it is today.

Why are there so many botters?
Why are there so many farmers?
Why are there so many ebayers?

The answer is that there is a market for it, if there is no market for adena sales, powerleveling etc there would be no farmers, hence noone gaining unfair advantages, i will address the part about botting in a minute.

The vast majority of farmers are from china, the reason isnt poverty, but because chinese people are resourceful, perseverent and hard working, you can flame me for this, but i am friends with a few raid farmers on kain
and most of them are very nice people, loyal and honest, their morale with their friends is sometimes better than with western people and their friends.

One of the farmers is called Jin, this is an alias, 19 years of age and resides in the city of Zhengzhou in the Henan province in China, by working as a farmer he can earn almost twice as much as having a normal job without any real qualifications, most people in china have only the most basic of education, 1st to 9th grade for example, some dont receive much education at all because their family often needs them work for extra money to provide their household with necessities, Jin earns around 1600 Yuan each month, its around 200 dollars, not alot in our part of the world, but enough to live a decent life in china, mind you still twice as much as a normal job, so who wouldnt want to work as a farmer? ;)

Concerning botting, the reason that botting is abundant now is the fact that its so easily available and free with different types of cracks/work-arounds, most western people that bot nowadays are either one of two types of people, there might be more dont quote me on this, actually i will just give you some examples. :P

A. Someone who was played since open beta / prelude, and as a 75 character and maybe a subclass, the person does not want to invest the same amount of time in the game anymore, maybe the person is bored with the endless grind or has real life to attend to (yeah right)

B. Someone who comes fresh from another game and doesnt wanna start out on the same terms that everyone, someone who enjoys pvp and the interaction with another players, but hates the grind, and therefore uses a third party program to automate gameplay, and ofcourse hes gonna need some cash and buys some adena from a game site.

Everyone is entitled to their opponion thats why we have the freedom of speech, maybe not in china, but you get the point.

This is my point of view, remember if there wasnt a market for second market goods, like adena, powerleveling etc. there wouldnt be a single farmer playing L2.

I'm not saying that buying adena, getting powerleveled or botting is just fine, im just saying that i dont hold it against anyone who does, its their life, their money, and their time.

I'm pretty tired, so i will make this short, if you've come this far i salute you, maybe now you understand why things work like they do in L2.

With Regards
Peter aka GamlinLarsen

HapIo
08-26-2006, 12:09 PM
as i told you on mirc, your gay, i didnt bother reading yet. go die!.

<3

grimbob
08-26-2006, 12:12 PM
meh

<3 :P

Cristalina
08-26-2006, 12:12 PM
And what do u think about the new server? How will it be?

I expect many bots, but as many Franz players are players that are fed up with them, they wont have it as easy as on other servers.

HapIo
08-26-2006, 12:14 PM
And what do u think about the new server? How will it be?

I expect many bots, but as many Franz players are players that are fed up with them, they wont have it as easy as on other servers.

Keep in mind what you are trying to say, or to do, as been said on EVERY servers before. did it work? why would it work now? enough with the tears.

grimbob
08-26-2006, 12:15 PM
There will be bots, lots of them, since the market for adena etc on this server within a few months will be huge, and they can sell at high prices. On the other hand, there will hopefully be a large group of people wanting to have fun, starting again if you want to call it that, and molding a history of a new server.

Dexstar
08-26-2006, 12:15 PM
no shit?

ThunderSpike
08-26-2006, 12:21 PM
ffs, nearly every1 will be botting and even more ppl will be ebuying adena. no1 will be arsed to make money legit as L3 isn't to far in the future now!!

Cristalina
08-26-2006, 12:23 PM
ffs, nearly every1 will be botting and even more ppl will be ebuying adena. no1 will be arsed to make money legit as L3 isn't to far in the future now!!

Including u? :p

And if L3 is so close, why bother starting on a new server in the first place?

Detech
08-26-2006, 12:24 PM
Thanks Captain Obvious!

Could you tell me the reason why there is pro sport athlets?

It's great when some random idiot wanna post "his thoughts" when its really the same shit thats been posted 1k times, let alone the fact its not related to Franz but should have been posted in another section ( imo not posted at all). And with no what so ever proof or anything you take your oppinion as the truth and what you type as a fact.

Idiot.

A.K.A_QT
08-26-2006, 12:30 PM
I love Farmers/Botters ...before you go nuts, hear me out,
Why kill mobs for hours when you can farm the farmers? As I recall farm the farmers day was highly celebrated on Bartz, and I will definately be doing regular farmer/bot runs for some extra equiptment and cash, and the better they get at it, the higher lvl their gear, so the more I/my friends/clannies score.

It's a win win situation, so botter bring it, pretty plz <3 joo

FruityFunCake
08-26-2006, 12:33 PM
Dude i waited for like ever for that post and it was like pointless and dumb and completely un-nessecery... so i loved it <3

HapIo
08-26-2006, 12:37 PM
ffs, nearly every1 will be botting and even more ppl will be ebuying adena. no1 will be arsed to make money legit as L3 isn't to far in the future now!!

L3 = Late 2008 early 09. LOL...

GamlinLarsen
08-26-2006, 12:39 PM
This was meant to be for all those people who thinks that the server is gonna be without botters and ebayers.

If you dont agree or like my post just ignore it, no reason to be a retard :o

FruityFunCake
08-26-2006, 12:40 PM
L3 = Late 2008 early 09. LOL...


L3 will be 1337 dont hate

HapIo
08-26-2006, 12:44 PM
L3 will be 1337 dont hate

im was just laughing at this newb saying L3 is coming soon. lol.

GamlinLarsen
08-26-2006, 12:47 PM
Thanks Captain Obvious!

Could you tell me the reason why there is pro sport athlets?

It's great when some random idiot wanna post "his thoughts" when its really the same shit thats been posted 1k times, let alone the fact its not related to Franz but should have been posted in another section ( imo not posted at all). And with no what so ever proof or anything you take your oppinion as the truth and what you type as a fact.

Idiot.Who's the idiot now, have you even read my post at all, otherwise you wouldnt come off sounding this dumb, i might be random to you, and you might be random to me, but the fact is that even though franz might not become like all the other servers have, theres a quite large chance of that, and seeing as ive played on 3 different servers and im very familiar with the game mechanics, i would say my post isnt completely moronic. I'll say it again, if you dont like/agree with what ive written dont get all angry about it, just ignore me. Didnt your teacher tell you that when the other kids picked on you?

FruityFunCake
08-26-2006, 01:07 PM
calm down Gamlin some people are just gay Detech is one of them Rainz and i still think you are cool thats all that counts

GamlinLarsen
08-26-2006, 01:20 PM
<3

Dammonar
08-26-2006, 01:43 PM
Dunno.. guess u right .. But .. i think the majority of population in franz will not be bots.. but ppl who are sick en tired of em.. like me..

IMO .. Franz will be the most pvp active server ever...

Now bout bots .. we cant keep em out.. but we can give em hell.. thats what im gonna do.. :dem_happy

HaLleluJa
08-26-2006, 02:36 PM
GamlinLarsen +1 for youre post.

CandyCain
08-26-2006, 02:46 PM
I think it might not become exactly like the other servers.

I think perhaps: Those who will ebay, already have on old servers and might not be as inclined to view the game long term, so they might not want to invest big amounts of rl money. Many/most who have ebayed their way to high levels (700 million net worth) did not initially intend on spending that type of money. (How many times has ebaying been compared to drug use?) People have spent a lot of money at IGE. If they do it again; this late in the life of the game; well I just don't think as many of them will.

This isn't a post saying there will not be farmers and ebaying. I just think it'll be different than the old servers. The game is finished developing. There won't be as many people maxing out credit cards as before.

Detech
08-26-2006, 04:02 PM
GamlinLarsen let's look at your post. You tell a heartbreaking story about how you sucked some farmer and now he consider you a friend, using that to generalize how every farmer is. If you cannot see thats fucking stupid, then you are a moron.

Then you answer "the botting problem" with it beeing people that either played a long time on the server or people that just started. THATS EVERYONE, either you just started or you played on a server for a while. Thats like saying "there is 2 types of people who dosnt play soccer. Thoese that can't and thoese that dont want to". Wow thats rocket science right there!

Then you make some gay comment about freedom of speech with a sarcastic note about china, yet you flame people that says you're a faggot and your thoughts suck. ironic?

and the last past where you say people that read your post is now informed. Lol get off yourself. You're not a l2guru.

Also i think everyone who read these boards read that there will be bots on Franz, people are setting up bot partys on these boards. But really you made a good point, captain obivous.

GamlinLarsen
08-26-2006, 04:19 PM
GamlinLarsen let's look at your post. You tell a heartbreaking story about how you sucked some farmer and now he consider you a friend, using that to generalize how every farmer is. If you cannot see thats fucking stupid, then you are a moron.

Then you answer "the botting problem" with it beeing people that either played a long time on the server or people that just started. THATS EVERYONE, either you just started or you played on a server for a while. Thats like saying "there is 2 types of people who dosnt play soccer. Thoese that can't and thoese that dont want to". Wow thats rocket science right there!

Then you make some gay comment about freedom of speech with a sarcastic note about china, yet you flame people that says you're a faggot and your thoughts suck. ironic?

and the last past where you say people that read your post is now informed. Lol get off yourself. You're not a l2guru.

Also i think everyone who read these boards read that there will be bots on Franz, people are setting up bot partys on these boards. But really you made a good point, captain obivous.
I wrote that theres more than two types, and that i would just give out examples, if you take things too litterally in this world youre gonna suffer.


Concerning botting, the reason that botting is abundant now is the fact that its so easily available and free with different types of cracks/work-arounds, most western people that bot nowadays are either one of two types of people, there might be more dont quote me on this, actually i will just give you some examples. :P

Reading comprehension for the win.

FruityFunCake
08-26-2006, 05:01 PM
Franz will have botters and ebayers you cant avoid it