African Suffering Vs Irish suffering.

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O'Rielly had a interesting exchange with Malik Shabazz a few years back and i just happened to come across it looking up reverse racism.

So i was curious please vote on this poll and give your reasoning who had it worse.

[TreasureDuDe]

Im guessing u made this thread in response to the doublestandard one but the truth is i do not know much of what goes on outside of america besides tv channels like fox news and lol at trusting the stuff u hear in the media. im still in highschool and the majority of my knowlege on these type issues comes from my history classes and such. the only thing i can recall about the irish is the potato famine and how much the irish imigrants got fucked when trying to make a honest living in america,perhaps u can enlighten me on the issue

oh yea, Thief successful, but living on the edge won't last forever. You managed to scrap away 5 Points From small.

N I N J A

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your honest then. I will likely make some points about how the irish made out a page or so into this. but i want to see what people think off the top of their head.

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Africans still suffer

[Oranj]

how can you seriously compare the potato famine (which was greedy IRISH landlords) to slavery in Africa? fuck the Irish, they never stop whining.

[Seigi]

how can you seriously compare the potato famine (which was greedy IRISH landlords) to slavery in Africa? fuck the Irish, they never stop whining.
Nor do the blacks. Also, africa didn't have slavery, it was another continent that starts with 'A'

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how can you seriously compare the potato famine (which was greedy IRISH landlords) to slavery in Africa? fuck the Irish, they never stop whining.

1st the Irish Landlords were not Irish they were Foreigners by and large. And on the Potato Famine These land lords still exporting food were nice enough to import Corn for the hungry Irish, Too bad they forgot to mention the corn was only fit for animal consumption.

there is far more to Irish history then the potato famine.
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638
The Irish were taken by the British and sold as slaves as well. In fact the British sold more Irish Slaves from 1600 to 1699 then African.

[Execurio]

Nor do the blacks. Also, africa didn't have slavery, it was another continent that starts with 'A'


every continent (i guess besides antarctica) had slavery. as a matter of fact, the only country where slavery still exists, is in Africa.

[AnonymousBeefy]

Africans still suffer

Pfft. I actually agree with ths pile of shit for once.

[ZeroWolf]

every continent (i guess besides antarctica) had slavery. as a matter of fact, the only country where slavery still exists, is in Africa.
continent* depends on how you want to look at it. It still exists everywhere. The victims of this era are young women in homes, schools and marriages. >.<

On the subject of Africans being enslaved (Generally speaking); It is propaganda used by seperate factions to denounce other factions and gain support for themselves. It got blown out of proportion. I am of course referring to the US and it's civil war.
The majority black slaves were victims of local wars sold to international buyers by the victors. Compare if you can the Irish peoples being invaded, killed, raped (physically and psychologically), and enslaved. Harken back to the Egyptians and their solid invasions and enslaving of other nations. The Persians, the Chinese it's been done by almost every groups. suffering attatched to slavery goes really far back in history... and is a sour topic!:dem_swt:

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Africans still suffer because nobody is held accountable. The upper echelon use their countries' resources for personal gain.
Today you'll hear about a political upstart who'll launch investigations against corrupt Ministers and Heads of states, how they're being probed to account for their budget expenses. Tommorrow the same upstart will be seen in Spain spending millions on hookers, fancy boats, expensive trips and who knows what else. ;/ Everyone else is too afraid to do anything.
Throw in international business minds who have something to gain by funding local, sectarian wars.
For the movie buffs; See Syriana and apply the idea behind it. Also see Blood Diamond.
There was a piece done by some reporter couple years ago on the state of affairs in his country and how the international community can help. He went to CNN for help and CNN exploded the story world wide. I'll try looking for it.

[Valador]

im suffering....


BY OPENING THIS THREAD

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Africans still suffer

the Irish still suffer too just look at northern Ireland.

[Kilgore]

O'Rielly had a interesting exchange with Malik Shabazz a few years back and i just happened to come across it looking up reverse racism.

So i was curious please vote on this poll and give your reasoning who had it worse.

You can't compare Africans to Europeans. Its like comparing a rottweiler to a german shepherd.

And anyone who tries to jump in and say they know a smart rottweiler sure there are some..but the vast majority are dumb as shit.

[Jonne]

the Irish still suffer too just look at northern Ireland.

Hey if you Americans don't want the people in Northern Ireland to suffer, perhaps you should stop funding the terrorist organizations that operate there.

Well actually, it's too late now cause the IRA already agreed to a ceasefire and began to turn over their weapons

[SoulGlo]

continent* depends on how you want to look at it. It still exists everywhere. The victims of this era are young women in homes, schools and marriages. >.<

On the subject of Africans being enslaved (Generally speaking); It is propaganda used by seperate factions to denounce other factions and gain support for themselves. It got blown out of proportion. I am of course referring to the US and it's civil war.
The majority black slaves were victims of local wars sold to international buyers by the victors. Compare if you can the Irish peoples being invaded, killed, raped (physically and psychologically), and enslaved. Harken back to the Egyptians and their solid invasions and enslaving of other nations. The Persians, the Chinese it's been done by almost every groups. suffering attatched to slavery goes really far back in history... and is a sour topic!:dem_swt:

OT:
Africans still suffer because nobody is held accountable. The upper echelon use their countries' resources for personal gain.
Today you'll hear about a political upstart who'll launch investigations against corrupt Ministers and Heads of states, how they're being probed to account for their budget expenses. Tommorrow the same upstart will be seen in Spain spending millions on hookers, fancy boats, expensive trips and who knows what else. ;/ Everyone else is too afraid to do anything.
Throw in international business minds who have something to gain by funding local, sectarian wars.
For the movie buffs; See Syriana and apply the idea behind it. Also see Blood Diamond.
There was a piece done by some reporter couple years ago on the state of affairs in his country and how the international community can help. He went to CNN for help and CNN exploded the story world wide. I'll try looking for it.

It's not all propaganda, not all the Africans that were taken were SOLD by other tribes into slavery. Interesting enough, many of those very tribes that sold their rival tribes people that they had captive were down the line overcome and sold into slavery. There is much more about the history, African slaves were raped and all that to, as you know, or if you haven't noticed how many colors black people come in. This is really a stupid argument, imo. The thing which made the African slave issue what it is the fact that people often equated Africans to being sub-human and animals at that time. It's the treatment that was received after while once they were taken to whatever destination it was. There the females would just be raped at will, was an everyday thing to see a man hanging in the tree. By no means would I even attempt to freaking compare slave stories that is the dumbest shit ever. If anyone was made a slave by reason of being seen as inferior by the majority then the treatment they would have endured would be similar. All slaves suffer that psychological strain.

[SoulGlo]

You can't compare Africans to Europeans. Its like comparing a rottweiler to a german shepherd.

And anyone who tries to jump in and say they know a smart rottweiler sure there are some..but the vast majority are dumb as shit.

Kilgore, yes people dying of AIDS, living in shacks (if that), being used and abused, having their resources stolen from them have their eyes set on education (in most places without drinkable water). Perhaps they are more set on just making it another day, this maybe hard to fathom for you.

What you call dumb is basically uneducated. Anyone can be educated, they are capable, but being used, abused, and having nothing changes ones priorities, don't you think? I couldn't even imagine living in many of those places in Africa, life most seem hopeless as hell.

[Kilgore]

Kilgore, yes people dying of AIDS, living in shacks (if that), being used and abused, having their resources stolen from them have their eyes set on education (in most places without drinkable water). Perhaps they are more set on just making it another day, this maybe hard to fathom for you.

What you call dumb is basically uneducated. Anyone can be educated, they are capable, but being used, abused, and having nothing changes ones priorities, don't you think? I couldn't even imagine living in many of those places in Africa, life most seem hopeless as hell.

Well education is most of it, genes is another factor. Yes life is a living hell in those places--I am not denying that. Yet the birthrate in Africa is still extremely high despite the hardships and travails. They continue to pump kids out into the world they cannot support with full knowledge of the famine and pestilence they will suffer through in their short lifespan. There are more people on food aid in Ethiopia today than were alive in Ethiopia 70 years ago.

Their resources have never been expropriated from them on a mass scale, either. Africa is a continent with abundant natural resources yet their incapability to develop industrial societies means they go unused by the natives. Look at Australia: very few natural resources yet it developed.

For Asians I would say education was 100% the factor for Europeans to dominate the world earlier. But they ramped up quick: Japan was agrarian back in 1850 and was destroyed in WW2, look at it today. For Africans there is more too it than external, environmental factors, as politically incorrect as this may seem.

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Hey if you Americans don't want the people in Northern Ireland to suffer, perhaps you should stop funding the terrorist organizations that operate there.

Well actually, it's too late now cause the IRA already agreed to a ceasefire and began to turn over their weapons

Perhaps the British should get off our island.

Peace agreements like this have been reached before it is normally the protestants militants that make them difficult.
Mostly it is when they realize in 30 years the catholics will out number them anyways, got to love the pope and out lawing birth control.

but if you feel the need to require Irish Americans to hold their tongue on Ireland then hold your tongue on Israel.

[DADWARF]

every continent (i guess besides antarctica) had slavery. as a matter of fact, the only country where slavery still exists, is in Africa.

Australia didnt, try again

[DADWARF]

Their resources have never been expropriated from them on a mass scale, either. Africa is a continent with abundant natural resources yet their incapability to develop industrial societies means they go unused by the natives. Look at Australia: very few natural resources yet it developed.



You do realise we have one of the LARGEST mining companies in the world operating out of australia because of the abundance of natural resources, and we provide china with i believe 40% of the steel they import, which is a SHIT load

[Jonne]

1st the Irish Landlords were not Irish they were Foreigners by and large. And on the Potato Famine These land lords still exporting food were nice enough to import Corn for the hungry Irish, Too bad they forgot to mention the corn was only fit for animal consumption.



What's the difference between corn meant for animal consumption and corn meant for human consumption?

[Jonne]

Perhaps the British should get off our island.

Peace agreements like this have been reached before it is normally the protestants militants that make them difficult.
Mostly it is when they realize in 30 years the catholics will out number them anyways, got to love the pope and out lawing birth control.

but if you feel the need to require Irish Americans to hold their tongue on Ireland then hold your tongue on Israel.`

Maybe you Americans should've gotten the fuck out of Osama's Saudi Arabia so he didn't have to fly planes into your World Trade Center. IRA is, well actually was, a terrorist organization. Just like Al Quida. Hell the only difference is that Al Quida might actually have the support of the majority of people living Saudi Arabia, IRA doesn't have the support of the majority of the population in Northern Ireland.

There was a referendum in 1973, asking if the Northern Ireland should stay with UK or join the main land. 98.9% of the voters supported staying with the UK so don't try to make it sound like the English have stayed in Northern Ireland all this time against the will of the people of Northern Ireland. Maybe against the will of the Catholics, but tough luck they're the minority and it's a democracy.

[AnonymousBeefy]

Australia didnt, try again

LOL! That's because it was full of convicts that they treated as slaves but it was never documented as "slavery".

HAHAHA! Australia.

:P

<3

EDIT: I miss Vegemite :dem_cry:

[DemonStar]

Perhaps the British should get off our island.

Peace agreements like this have been reached before it is normally the protestants militants that make them difficult.
Mostly it is when they realize in 30 years the catholics will out number them anyways, got to love the pope and out lawing birth control.

but if you feel the need to require Irish Americans to hold their tongue on Ireland then hold your tongue on Israel.

Are you from Northern Ireland? Or are you one of those Americans who claims to be like 1/4 Irish on his Grandmother's dog's fathers side like so many others?

The reason peace agreements were made difficult is because most political parties in this country are basically political wings of paramilitary organisations, most notably Sin Fein who are lead by "former" IRA Commanders. Those kind of things cause them not to be trusted on their promises when organisations like the IRA say they will disarm after they get what they want. The likes of Ian Paisley who is not the First Minister of this country as of a couple of days ago would not trust them and before now refused to enter into a power sharing gvernment with armed terrorrists. That is why these "peace agreements" were made difficult. Based on the deceit and atrocities and lies that came from the IRA for so many years, I would not have trusted them either. It's be like entering into a political discussion with the Taliban.

[DADWARF]

LOL! That's because it was full of convicts that they treated as slaves but it was never documented as "slavery".

HAHAHA! Australia.

:P

<3

EDIT: I miss Vegemite :dem_cry:

dont think there was ever more than 5000 convicts, kinda like america, all the bad people were sent there :P