Warlords in PvP

[Menzer]

Always wanted to make a Warlord, and since I'm starting fresh on a new server I figured I might make one. However, I'm torn because from what I've heard, they aren't any good at pvp at all. I want an alt that can do pvp, but I also have wanted an AoE class for about...14 months ^_^

Any input on whether 1) They can even stand a chance in pvp, or 2) Any strategies on using them in pvp.

Thanks ^_^

[Atrius]

You could also go orc or dwarf. They are a bit gimped when it comes to polearm specials but they also have blunt masteries.

[fainty]

Tengil archers and nukers own everyone thats not really saying much ><. I've killed SWSs, BDs, Daggers, Tanks, and nukers... archers own me though have yet to kill one 1v1. (all of these kills were at around my lvl also)

[Menzer]

Blue Wolf or Doom heavy?

[im a canadian orc]

You could also go orc or dwarf. They are a bit gimped when it comes to polearm specials but they also have blunt masteries.


uuh no Destroyer gets all a Warlords skills except like 3 of them and they arent that important if you have a bishop or EE in party anywhoo. Yea WL get a skill where u only attack one person and ive seen a few WL's who know what there doin do not so bad at PvP. My clannie is like 7x or will be soon and he > HE and PR soo yea they can beat archers but not the best melee class. its a neat class but i would think about destroyer if u want to maybe try different weapons.

[fainty]

i accually wear BW light armor =)

[soltys]

uuh no Destroyer gets all a Warlords skills except like 3 of them and they arent that important

Well, Thrill fight stacks with other haste buffs. Thunderstorm can be quite decent skill. Provoke is great tool for pulling in dungeons. Howl can cause quite a hurt.

Revival .. is a joke ;) But 1758 hp extra heal is always better than 0...

Sure, they are not absolutely essential. But nice none the less.



Main power of the polearm specials is not their not too big damage, or occasional stun (thunderstorm), but the fact that they hit everything around, with larger range and with no accuracy/evasion check. I often get asked "why do you still use wildsweep.." - because it hits, no questions asked (pitty it's not 360 skill though :( )


Don't forget about the other weapons (assuming you can afford them). It's like with mulit-weapon destroyers. No reason not to be multi-weapon warlord - a bow + VS + stacked TF can be painful experience for your opponent. And you don't have to chase one around.

[CRANKYOLDNUKER]

I have a 66 Warlord....leveling is uber and fast as hell...
PVP...vrs nuker...bad...vrs archer ...not good...vrs tank...depends on skill of person.....
Sieges..awsome..mass stun....stun lands alot....

I was full buffes..fought an SE...DA...BD..and SWS he other day...in 50s...killed the whole group....and still had 3k HO left....just kept mass stunning them all..and my attack hits them all at the same time...Warlord is a fun as hell class to play..may not do the best damage...Pdef or Mdef...but u can level them fast as hell..make lots of cash...and one soulshot hits every mob in the train..so they are econimicaly sound..

[Maximos]

uuh no Destroyer gets all a Warlords skills except like 3 of them and they arent that important if you have a bishop or EE in party anywhoo. Yea WL get a skill where u only attack one person and ive seen a few WL's who know what there doin do not so bad at PvP. My clannie is like 7x or will be soon and he > HE and PR soo yea they can beat archers but not the best melee class. its a neat class but i would think about destroyer if u want to maybe try different weapons.

uhh 3 skills that aren't that important? Thunderstorm is the best skill a Warlord has for pve and pvp. Anytime you can stun a bunch a healers or nukers and leave them idle for the duration of the effect, that can turn the battle in your favor. It is not uncommon to stun 5-8 people at a time in sieges. Also as stated by another poster, Thrill fight stacks with all atk. speed buffs, provoke makes aoe hunting a million times easier which equals faster xp, howl is a nice patk debuff that lands fairly often. Destroyers get what? Whirlwind? (comparing polearm skills) Its a decent skill but doesn't compare to the effect Thunderstorm can have.

[Maximos]

You have more HP than any other Human with the same gear.
You will lose a 1on1 with just about any class. :)

You own sieges. You own mobs. Archers own you, nukers own you.

Tactics?
Find a big group of them, Howl+Thunderstorm.
Repeat.

I rarely lose in 1v1 battles of similar lvls/gear. Of course Nukers own me, but they own everyone. Archers are very tough. Outside of Tyrant, I routinely beat other melees: daggers, tanks, bd/sws, glads etc.

[Kenjiko]

To sum up a warlords MOST COMMON <----attention! =P.....use in pvp I would say from playing mine I found I played a great role in simply disrupting strategy of the enemy. For example in small open pvp like 9v9 or clan battles warlords have the hp/decent pdef to charge and let loose a thunderstorm to keep your opponets occupied while the archers/nukers on your side can pick them off. Sure your stuns wont land all the time and wont last too long, but it can that spilt second half of their team is stuck that makes the differance.

However I wont BS you at all, being a WL unless you got a great clan with the intent of working closely with you, SUCKS....and naturally so, afterall the whole purpose of the WL is for pvp and aoe grinding. If your looking for more variety then being a tool...WL isnt for you. (go destroyer for more options just give up aoe stun). Anyhow If you have a great clan that can do that, then your all set. Also get used to not getting the kill in pvp somtimes even if you have beat on them for awhile. Almost all of WL pvp you contribute to the death of the weaker con classes, WL skills simply dont hit for insane dmg on the classes brave enough to get in your range without sleeping/nukeing you for getting that close.

You'll have lots of fun if you can be patient. For 1v1 matches your naturally going to be at a disadvantage, unless your able to whip out a BoP/Carnage bow or a dagger and hope you can outlast with your HP on a melee match and using thunderstorm to get in a few good licks combinded with howl to make quick work of daggers. Overall if your going WL so you can rack up the "l337" kills your going to get pissed quick and hate it unless you dont mind "helping" someone get killed by your allies. WL is pretty much melee support in pvp, your almost like a BD/SWS in the fact that you help others pick off those pesky nukers/daggers and sometimes archers. While doing chip dmg and howling your ass off.

Im sure theres those that would absolutely disagree, but that was my experience with my WL, he was 6x so I cant say that its like that at 7x, but almost all the 7x WL's Ive watched seemed to fair about like this. Of course theres that exceptional one who wtfpwns the whole arena, and is lucky enough there isnt a nuker around to sleep him. WL is a fun, rewarding class even in pvp if you have more relaxed expectations then like a SR or SH in getting kills.

Personally speaking I loved keeping mass areas paused with stun or halting all the fighting for a few seconds during a massive fight, its quite fun. However I simply grew tired of having two options for my character.

1.)AoE groups all day (without good clan usually hard to start a random one in 6x-7x range that is willing to see if your any good)

2.)AoE stun in arena waiting for siege day. :hm_mad:

And remeber this is just my experience. AoE groups are somewhat easier to get going then they used to be and if you can keep the party as small as possible it can be quite rewarding loot wise. Regardless if you want to play a AoE char specifically WL is the best option for melee aoe grind that much is true. But if you just want to see what its like, Id suggest you choose a AoE class taht can do something else later. A WL is a committment to AoE for 99.99% of your playstyle. (duh...) Anyhow I wish you luck and hope you like it if you choose it

Oh and one more thing I agree with maximos, there are some classes that you can pretty easily beat with equal lvl and gear in 1v1 (glads daggers) simply because of your massive hp pool.

[Natida]

:| Sigh... Warlord are grea t 1v1 only against melee, unless you get a decent bow your bait for mages, and archers. Its also how well you use your skills as warlord i know its like omg omg only aoe stun whirlwind, and howl, O.o But ive slain many melee classes with np in 1v1 just for having more hp, and with revival an d battle roar you can make the battle go on forever ^_^ no t to mention thrillfight 2 makes a difference..

[DragonSeeker]

bw!

[Schwarzeneger]

Sadly I gave up on my Warlord about 4 months ago, fantastic class, loved the parties loved the people but in the end my groups started leaving the game or re-rolling making it difficult to xp and tbh I was only good in mass pvp (multiple groups/sieges). So make sure u can get groups, u can't join any random party, u need u're poles/AoE nukers + WC (SE+Proph). If I could get the groups I'd get back on the horse as it were, I would do it. Go Go Warlord ftw R.I.P. Stev0

[Catira]

Takes a lot of dedicatin to play a WL. AoE groups are always fun (not mage AoE >.< stupid ancient battle field groups).

Dont expect to rack up pvps as a WL but you wont do so bad, you can take on any melees... archers and nukers will eat you alive tho... But a bow will help with that. I have to say my soul bow is nice for that.

Cant wait till C4 and exp in AoE Groups in high lv areas :D

[Natida]

=/ Ever sincei went BW Ive been able to rack up pvps ^_^

[Morokar]

I don't know about solo pvp, but when I fight with my brother who is a WL, we rarely get beaten regardless of how many people are fighting against us. We've won against 5vs2, 4vs2, Xvs2, even against people in a grade higher than us.

Warlord doesn't have an "I win" button. You have to know when to do what at what time in pvp, and fighting with a partner they are fantastic.

[Diatress]

You have more HP than any other Human with the same gear.
You will lose a 1on1 with just about any class. :)

You own sieges. You own mobs. Archers own you, nukers own you.

Tactics?
Find a big group of them, Howl+Thunderstorm.
Repeat.

Wtf are u smoking?

Will lose on a 1on1 with about any class?

We "can" own glads/all orc fighters/BD's/SWS's/ALL daggers/All tanks. We are bad ass against any melee class. Just have the right setup and use your head when fighting. Indeed there is no 1 button kill move (atleast there was in c4 beta =( ) Archers HELL YES own us. Mages Too. But this is ONLY in open battlefield. When you have a battle in doors, a cata/necro or dvc etc. Those classes won't be able to kite you. If you can't kite a warlord, you're going to loose (i'll add that this all depends on how responsive the warlord is). Any class mage/archer doesn't matter, if they can't run from you because of hallways, rooms, walls. They will go down (just play it smart and use the walls to ur advantage). Open battlefield. Just run at them and stun asap. Pray to God you'll crit 7 in a row and they'll fall before the shock wears off. Other then that meh....

My setup is +5 dex -5 str +4wit -4int, now this isn't a perfect pvp setup, but so far for me, it's been 100% effective when pvping chars that were 5-6 lvls higher then me. Now that im 7x, it's pretty much a sure thing my HP with health SA is all the hp i'll need. So try Tallum Heavy, go +5 dex and get ur 733 attack speed with fury or 64x attack speed without fury and rock some people. Usually more then 1 at a time =) With halbard and Haste SA i belive 785+ attack speed is hit. In c4 with the extra buff prophets get that stacks with Zerk, 850+ attack speed i Hope <3.

C4, both of our new skills causes enemies to loose their target. They "HAD" lethal attack on earthquake but took it off in beta of c4 =( Earthquake can Crit with 4040 power as base hit, turn on VS, god knows how hard that's going to feel.

Warlords used to suck in pvp, but ever since I found out how much fun an all attack speed warlord can be, my prayers have been answered. I've watied ever so patiently for my class to shine in what we lacked so much of. Best investment I ever made, in l2 atleast. Oh, and then there's the Con'd ones with NM going 14k+ hp with 4kcp.. GL on killing those types too =) ^^

[Diego Vargas]

Oh and one more thing I agree with maximos, there are some classes that you can pretty easily beat with equal lvl and gear in 1v1 (glads daggers) simply because of your massive hp pool.

Your kidding right ? Destroyers have more HP then you do and rage/frenzy and the fights I have with them are always close. I anniahlate equal level warlords with my gladiator.

Daggers maybe but your not gonna outlast a gladiator unless your grossly higher level then him.

Lionheart > Thunderstorm.

TSS/DSS/Blaster > all warlord damage moves.

Warcry 2 (glad) > Warcry 1 (warlord) :ef_happy:

Dualist Spirit 2 > Thrill Fight 2

Dual Swords > Pole Arms on a single target.

[Diatress]

Your kidding right ? Destroyers have more HP then you do and rage/frenzy and the fights I have with them are always close. I anniahlate equal level warlords with my gladiator.

Daggers maybe but your not gonna outlast a gladiator unless your grossly higher level then him.

Lionheart > Thunderstorm.

TSS/DSS/Blaster > all warlord damage moves.

Warcry 2 (glad) > Warcry 1 (warlord) :ef_happy:

Dualist Spirit 2 > Thrill Fight 2

Dual Swords > Pole Arms on a single target.

You could never be so wrong =) But that's ok.. Here on bartz things work alittle different. Im not some pussy warlord. I know how to fight. Fight a glad? Run around throw up a stun with accuracy on, hope it lands, wait for a min or so for your lion heart to wear off and your ass is mine. Now that i have my health SA i dont even need to run around anymore. First Wraith, 30% of ur cp gone in 1 hit, along with whoever else you have around you. Then howl you, take your hits while swinging at you very quickly, wait for my hp to get to about 3k, by that time ur lion heart is gone and Revival is ready. Stun and kick your ass all over the place =) You can even be like some of those dual damascus ebayed gladiator toon's on bartz that we all know so many of in this community just cause oneday poof, there she is lvl 7x tallum with +11 dual damascus (and yes i showed her ebay doesn't make you win at pvp.. the hardway).

I never lost to a glad with this setup 1 on 1... Ever. I started fighting them alot in arena once i did my dex setup. Was 68 took out a 71 glad. In the end i'll have more hp, ill be stunning u once ur lionheart goes bye bye, and ill have howl to nerf ur damage, and maybe even battle roar to heal me for 2500hp ONTOP of using revival which is my 1.6k hp skill. If your not dead by the time i've used revival, odds are your outta mana or close to it, or scared shitless of whats about to come when my frenzy turns activates. Glads and Warlords have always been close battle for a long time. But, sorry... this is one warlord you'll never beat on your life.

I haven't fought alot of orcs, but when i do (in arena, damn orc paagrio stick together thing) i never fight just 1, and they both usually fall around the same time. Now unless the orc is Orm, not touching him till im 75.. Beast =P

[Diatress]

Glads are fun to watch though.. all that charging up takes too long imo.

[Diatress]

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[Maximos]

Your kidding right ? Destroyers have more HP then you do and rage/frenzy and the fights I have with them are always close. I anniahlate equal level warlords with my gladiator.

Daggers maybe but your not gonna outlast a gladiator unless your grossly higher level then him.

Lionheart > Thunderstorm.

TSS/DSS/Blaster > all warlord damage moves.

Warcry 2 (glad) > Warcry 1 (warlord) :ef_happy:

Dualist Spirit 2 > Thrill Fight 2

Dual Swords > Pole Arms on a single target.

Lets hear the rest of the story here....

Wrath > no wrath

Thrill fight 2 always on > Dualist spirit

Warlord hp > glad hp

Thunderstorm > lionheart that lasts only 1 minute

Howl > your debuff resistance

Battle roar heal/revival > having no heal at all

The fight will last much longer than 1 minute, so these 1 minute buffs aren't that big of a deal. A warlord with 10k+ hp and 4k cp will drain a glads mp so fast.

Oh btw Diego, I believe I throughly destroyed you in the arena a month or 2 back in a fair duel, you didn't even touch my hp.... I think I had a few lvls on ya so I will cut you some slack on that one :ef_surp:

[Diego Vargas]

Lets hear the rest of the story here....

Wrath > no wrath

Thrill fight 2 always on > Dualist spirit

Warlord hp > glad hp

Thunderstorm > lionheart that lasts only 1 minute

Howl > your debuff resistance

Battle roar heal/revival > having no heal at all

The fight will last much longer than 1 minute, so these 1 minute buffs aren't that big of a deal. A warlord with 10k+ hp and 4k cp will drain a glads mp so fast.

Oh btw Diego, I believe I throughly destroyed you in the arena a month or 2 back in a fair duel, you didn't even touch my hp.... I think I had a few lvls on ya so I will cut you some slack on that one :ef_surp:

I was 58 with blue wolf and low b grade duals (SoN*Storm). Gratz a L70 killed a 58, I fought jacobus last night and got him to 900 hp, and hes about 8-9 levels my senior.

Go fight bulistix and provided he is not in some gimped pve setup to level he will take your head without even blinking.

Howl does next to nothing to TSS or DSS it will negate the added p.atk warcry2 gives us thats it.

Lionheart (1m) /Warcry (2m) buffs, and your arguments that they dont matter are out to lunch considering you are basing a fight where you had a SIGNIFICANT level advantage as the norm.

Thrill fight == joke to a gladiator who watches for it, watch me pull out my bow and kite alternating with my max charged sonic blaster(which is hilarious consdiering gladiators are a slow melee class).

Anyhow convince yourself you are better then gladiators in 1v1 if you like, but its not the case.

[Diatress]

Thrill fight == joke to a gladiator who watches for it, watch me pull out my bow and kite alternating with my max charged sonic blaster(which is hilarious consdiering gladiators are a slow melee class).

Thrill fight a joke? Put down the weed please.

Kite me with a bow and i'll have my bop too, lets see who shoots faster and can out hp the other. We have Warcry also so what's your point there? Oh and after howling you when "kiting" me with your bow. Blah.. hopeless case if you can't see where i'm going with this.

In the time it takes you to charge up each time to do your little dance (given your lion heart has worn off), you'll be stunned each time. Try going Majestic too, thinking stun won't land at all. Sure it wont as much, but in the end i'll still be standing.